Cook and Trott Out

[fundy]

Funny those who moan about Cook being written off are talking as though hes scoring hundreds for fun after one of them (against an ordinary attack then he gave it away rather than kick on). England need him to score very heavily this summer but not convinced his technique is anywhere close to where it was a couple of years ago and hes got as lot of hard work ahead for the summer imo, both NZ and Aussies will attack his weakness and give him little to score off on his hips.

Agree re Jordan, one of too many bits and pieces players in the side currently, not good enough with bat or ball for me (big question mark on Stokes too for me, and Ali seems to have a reputation he hasnt quite earned yet). Plenty got a lot to prove, only Root and Andersen world class on current evidence and theyre gonna need plenty of help against 2 of the best 3 sides about

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Trott out for 9. Surely that is it or play him at 3 if form improves but let him go back to his club and start making runs again

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Trott out for 9. Surely that is it or play him at 3 if form improves but let him go back to his club and start making runs again

Trott's test career should end here. Get Lyth in to open with Cook (sadly).

 

[Dan2501]

Trott's done. Should never have been recalled. Lyth should have played this series.

 

[shagster]

trott = another second rate south african reject
why take him at all
should have played lyth as the clue is he is an opening bat
back to the old days of test cricket being run by idiots
why not give players a chance, ie rashid as he is a good bat
cook is still a good bat but stick him only in test team
we should be getting players ready for ashes, only important test series for us, other nations have their must win series
we have to use players born in this country, regardless of ethic origin, not players that cant make the south african team, which includes pieterson, because if he was good enough, he would have played for them, but they had far better than him or trott who is 34, not exactly one for the future
the trouble is with most sports, its run by the old school tie brigade, just look how much the head of the tennis association receives, absolute joke

shagster

 

[HomerJSimpson]

England currently 62-6. A lead of 130 and in danger of getting skittled out very cheaply and giving the West Indies a huge chance. It's spin doing the damage and would be made for Swan. Hope Ali can replicate the form with the ball from last year but it's another area England seem short of a world class performer

 

[Dan2501]

trott = another second rate south african reject
why take him at all
should have played lyth as the clue is he is an opening bat
back to the old days of test cricket being run by idiots
why not give players a chance, ie rashid as he is a good bat
cook is still a good bat but stick him only in test team
we should be getting players ready for ashes, only important test series for us, other nations have their must win series
we have to use players born in this country, regardless of ethic origin, not players that cant make the south african team, which includes pieterson, because if he was good enough, he would have played for them, but they had far better than him or trott who is 34, not exactly one for the future
the trouble is with most sports, its run by the old school tie brigade, just look how much the head of the tennis association receives, absolute joke

shagster

What a load of drivel. Pietersen and Trott both have English parents, and were absolutely exceptional batsmen in their time. Trott's time has definitely past, not 100% on Pietersen yet, but I'd suggest he should be in the England side for the next 2 years at least. They had to find out about Trott this winter though. He had a good season last season, and if he'd been plundering runs for Warwickshire at the start of the season, and Lyth we were struggling people would be asking for him back. Now though we know that Trott is done.

Embarrassing that we got skittled so cheaply. This England side has some serious issues. If we fail to beat a poor West Indies side, we should just give up. We're never going to beat NZ or Australia if we can't beat this WI side.

 

[Piece]

Trott's done. Should never have been recalled. Lyth should have played this series.

Should have been recalled to his best position, number 3. Putting him to open was madness but symptomatic of this current cricket regime. Yes maybe Lyth should be given a go, yet is he going to go the same way as other recent openers we've tried? Carberry, Robson, Compton all given limited chances.

We should ask Australia to postpone The Ashes by 12 months; it could get very embarrassing by Sept....

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Should have been recalled to his best position, number 3. Putting him to open was madness but symptomatic of this current cricket regime. Yes maybe Lyth should be given a go, yet is he going to go the same way as other recent openers we've tried? Carberry, Robson, Compton all given limited chances.

We should ask Australia to postpone The Ashes by 12 months; it could get very embarrassing by Sept....

It will be a trouncing on current form. I can see a home defeat against New Zealand too.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Should have been recalled to his best position, number 3. Putting him to open was madness but symptomatic of this current cricket regime. Yes maybe Lyth should be given a go, yet is he going to go the same way as other recent openers we've tried? Carberry, Robson, Compton all given limited chances.

We should ask Australia to postpone The Ashes by 12 months; it could get very embarrassing by Sept....

Agree should have been put in at three not opening

This was the perfect tour for people to find form and to see who others work out

Still think it's shocking how they treated Compton and Robson both who did well -especially Compton. Never really liked Carberry.

Certainly would have taken Compton again and given him another go and had Trott at three followed by Ballance , Bell and Root

Think come the summer and Kiwi and Aussies and can see England surprising a few

 

[fundy]

Agree should have been put in at three not opening

This was the perfect tour for people to find form and to see who others work out

Still think it's shocking how they treated Compton and Robson both who did well -especially Compton. Never really liked Carberry.

Certainly would have taken Compton again and given him another go and had Trott at three followed by Ballance , Bell and Root

Think come the summer and Kiwi and Aussies and can see England surprising a few

Comptons face didnt fit and put a few noses out of joint, didnt cosy up to the right people and hence paid the price, sums up the England management of the last few years sadly. Think he was the best of those been tried and shouldve been given far longer to prove himself. Never saw Carberry as a test opener personally but he was poorly treated, guttsed it out against Johnson et al yet never got given the soft series as most do to see if he could push on. Robson an odd one, surprised he was picked when he was, techincally not ready for test cricket, would like to think hes young enough to get another shot in a few years if he improves though

 

[Dan2501]

Should he have been called up at 3? Ballance averages 69.00 at #3. Was worth giving Trott a go, but he should have been dropped after two Tests. It's a joke that Lyth and Rashid have been called up and not used. Bet Yorkshire are happy!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Should he have been called up at 3? Ballance averages 69.00 at #3. Was worth giving Trott a go, but he should have been dropped after two Tests. It's a joke that Lyth and Rashid have been called up and not used. Bet Yorkshire are happy!

Not sure why Rashid should have played but Lyth maybe yes but they wouldn't be the first pair to go on tour and not play a test a happens every tour

Trott before he had his issues was one of the best number threes in the world - he regained form and IMO was well worth the shot to be given another go. His ability is still there and think he had earned the right to be given a shot after his personal issues were sorted - but as fundy said the current regime did as they usually do and mess it up by putting him as an opener

 

[Dan2501]

He was, but why would you replace someone who's averaging 69 at #3 with someone who left a tour last time he was away with England? I like Trott, but I personally wouldn't have picked him for International cricket again, especially an away tour. If he was going to be picked, he should have batted down the order, at 5 or 6. No way Ballance should have been replaced by Trott at 3.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He was, but why would you replace someone who's averaging 69 at #3 with someone who left a tour last time he was away with England? I like Trott, but I personally wouldn't have picked him for International cricket again, especially an away tour. If he was going to be picked, he should have batted down the order, at 5 or 6. No way Ballance should have been replaced by Trott at 3.

I think with both at the top of their games you would have Trott in at three - Ballance at 4 would have given the security of someone solid with Bell and Root waiting in the wings - could have been and potentially should have been a very solid line up

Cook
Compton/Lyth
Trott
Ballance
Bell
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Anderson

Just need someone to replace Jordan IMO - either a quality spinner or top class paceman

Now think with Trott stuttering it will be Ali in at 6 with everyone moving up one

 

[fundy]

Cook been awfully uninspiring in the field here, not helped by picking lots of bits and pieces cricketers, 4 so called seamers and only a part time spinner (despite it being a really dry wicket) but surely we can do better than follow the ball at the top level!!!

Long term Cook has credit in terms of runs (but not as skipper imo), Root is top top class, Andersen would get in any side. Other than that personally think no one else in the side should be secure in their place as you can raise doubts about all of them (harsh on Butler as hes done well with the bat but his keeping isnt close to being good enough). Most of them will keep their places due to a combination of weak management and a lack of viable alternatives.

Will be a very long summer for English cricket fans imo against 2 of the best 3 sides out there

 

[huds1475]

I think with both at the top of their games you would have Trott in at three - Ballance at 4 would have given the security of someone solid with Bell and Root waiting in the wings - could have been and potentially should have been a very solid line up

Cook
Compton/Lyth
Trott
Ballance
Bell
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Anderson

Just need someone to replace Jordan IMO - either a quality spinner or top class paceman

Now think with Trott stuttering it will be Ali in at 6 with everyone moving up one

Thats the dullest top four I can think of.

England are playing the wrong brand of cricket. Bringing back another grinder like Trott doesn't inspire me that we have the people in place to set the direction properly.

Its not 1975 any more (as the World Cup showed, albeit for a different format). Good teams win by playing aggressive cricket, with bat and ball, putting teams under pressure and, most importantly, entertaining.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching England bat...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thats the dullest top four I can think of.

England are playing the wrong brand of cricket. Bringing back another grinder like Trott doesn't inspire me that we have the people in place to set the direction properly.

Its not 1975 any more (as the World Cup showed, albeit for a different format). Good teams win by playing aggressive cricket, with bat and ball, put teams under pressure and, most importantly, entertain.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching England bat...

If it scores runs in test cricket then being dull i can put up with - if the team can put on 500 in dull fashion then skittle a team out then ill put up with the dullness. There is a fine line between reckless and entertaining - in ODI WC England's game plan was all wrong - no doubt about that at all but test match you need to find the balance - Root and Bell can certainly entertain - as can Buttler but nothing beats building an innings.

 

[huds1475]

There's building an innings and there's putting too much pressure on an inexperienced middle order.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There's building an innings and there's putting too much pressure on an inexperienced middle order.

True but our middle order has Bell,Root, Stokes - all with Test match tons to their name.


I just dont believe its all doom and gloom for England in the test arena just yet.