Conditions of competition.

[Colin L]

What happens if the player does not enter his score into the computer before returning his card? Surely it's not a golf penalty.

Any action taken for not entering your score into the computer has to be subsequent and under club discipline. It cannot affect the competition in question. But rulefan will be familiar with Decision 6-6b/8

 

[rulefan]

What happens if the player does not enter his score into the computer before returning his card? Surely it's not a golf penalty.

You are correct, it is not.

If you are refereeing to the text above, the sub clause references have been changed from lower case roman numerals (in my original script) to lower case alphabetic characters. But Members "will be subject to the Rules of Golf for failing to conform to conditions vi) to x) above" has not. It should be changed to 'f to j'.

Decision 6-6b/8 applies to clause e.
Disciplinary action depends on the circumstances.

 

[rulie]

You are correct, it is not.

If you are refereeing to the text above, the sub clause references have been changed from lower case roman numerals (in my original script) to lower case alphabetic characters. But Members "will be subject to the Rules of Golf for failing to conform to conditions vi) to x) above" has not. It should be changed to 'f to j'.

Decision 6-6b/8 applies to clause e.
Disciplinary action depends on the circumstances.

Thanks. Just to clarify, a player with the best score for the event would still be the winner of the event even if he failed to enter his score in the computer before returning his card?

 

[rulefan]

Thanks. Just to clarify, a player with the best score for the event would still be the winner of the event even if he failed to enter his score in the computer before returning his card?

Yes.
However the 'disciplinary action' may include withholding any prize or honour. It would depend on the club's disciplinary regulations.
His score would be taken into account in the handicap system.

 

[rulie]

Yes.
However the 'disciplinary action' may include withholding any prize or honour. It would depend on the club's disciplinary regulations.
His score would be taken into account in the handicap system.

So, he wins the event but isn't to be known as the winner or collect the winner's prize? Isn't that equivalent to DQ, a golf penalty? After all, the Rule do define the winner (Rule 3-1 for example).

 

[rulefan]

So, he wins the event but isn't to be known as the winner or collect the winner's prize? Isn't that equivalent to DQ, a golf penalty? After all, the Rule do define the winner (Rule 3-1 for example).

I'm sorry. changes made to the version I originally posted confused me.

In the words "A failure to follow this procedure or v) below will result in the entry being revoked ......"
The v) below relates to e) below

The Conditions of Entry say the clauses relating to non golf breaches will cause the entry to be revoked. ie the player does not have an acceptable entry. He cannot therefore be the winner. And contrary to what I wrote above, his score will not count for handicap purposes.

These breaches of non golf clauses were run by the R&A and caused no negative comments at the time that CONGU was discussing the topic with the R&A. At the time I was involved, the actual words were not finalised but the fundamental principle was.

 

[rulie]

I'm sorry. changes made to the version I originally posted confused me.

In the words "A failure to follow this procedure or v) below will result in the entry being revoked ......"
The v) below relates to e) below

The Conditions of Entry say the clauses relating to non golf breaches will cause the entry to be revoked. ie the player does not have an acceptable entry. He cannot therefore be the winner. And contrary to what I wrote above, his score will not count for handicap purposes.

These breaches of non golf clauses were run by the R&A and caused no negative comments at the time that CONGU was discussing the topic with the R&A. At the time I was involved, the actual words were not finalised but the fundamental principle was.

That sounds like pretty severe punishment for what I would consider a misdemeanor offence of not entering his score in a computer.

 

[rulefan]

That sounds like pretty severe punishment for what I would consider a misdemeanor offence of not entering his score in a computer.[/QUO

Perhaps. But in many club environments there isn't a recorder to collect the cards, record the scores, calculate handicap adjustments, determine the result(s) and return the information to the national handicap centre. Computer systems have become a must in virtually all clubs. The cards are simply dropped into a box. Reconciling the entries with all the cards the following day takes a considerable amount of time and unpaid (sometimes paid) effort.

A missing score is not a minor problem. A one off incident with a reasonable excuse may be accepted but persistent offenders need a deterrent.

 

[Crazyface]

Oi !

That is taken from my earlier posting of the Conditions I wrote for my club a few years ago.

But any one please feel free to use and adapt as you wish.:thup:

Yes it was.....and many many thanks for it. It's saved me an awful lot of mither. We're working on it now to fit our place.

 

[Crazyface]

Oh and doesn't 1 a. take care of 1 o. ?

 

[Crazyface]

We're up to Draft 5 !, and only have two months to get this in place.

 

[rulefan]

Oh and doesn't 1 a. take care of 1 o. ?

Yes. Thanks for pointing it out. It was put in as the local rule was being sorted out by the RBs and was to keep members on the straight and narrow. Redundant now.

 

[rulefan]

We're up to Draft 5 !, and only have two months to get this in place.

Ours keeps getting tweeked. 27o is currently 27i

 

[Crazyface]

Ours keeps getting tweeked. 27o is currently 27i

Crumbs. Although we have already said that we just need to get the basic rules in place, then maybe could add to them as we go along.

 

[IanM]

... I sign the book, take my card, pay my money, play, key my scores on the computer and put the completed card in a box. Beer, lunch, go home. Next morning result appears by email.........

Life is good

 

[rulefan]

Crumbs. Although we have already said that we just need to get the basic rules in place, then maybe could add to them as we go along.

Nothing dramatic. Just a bit of tidying up, rewording and repositioning.

There's always someone who spots a missing comma.

 

[rulefan]

... I sign the book, take my card, pay my money, play, key my scores on the computer and put the completed card in a box. Beer, lunch, go home. Next morning result appears by email.........

Life is good

Always nice to hear about a satisfied customer :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

GOLF COMPETITIONS Rules
...
g. Competitors have precedence over all the other players who must give way at all times, if they are delaying the group following them....

The first sentence of this must surely be a 'note to competitors' only - with the actual requirement, to give way to competitors in a competition, being published as a 'Rule of the Club'!
This is because these 'Conditions of Competition' (only) apply to competitors in the competition and NOT (unless specified elsewhere) to folk not in the competition!

 

[rulefan]

The first sentence of this must surely be a 'note to competitors' only - with the actual requirement, to give way to competitors in a competition, being published as a 'Rule of the Club'!
This is because these 'Conditions of Competition' (only) apply to competitors in the competition and NOT (unless specified elsewhere) to folk not in the competition!

This only comprises a part of a much bigger policy document which has a number of sections. The whole document is aimed at all Members. It happens that this section is entitled Competitions not Conditions of Competition (as understood in the RoG). Those are published elsewhere as I said earlier. Other sections include General Etiquette, The Clubhouse etc.
Within the overall framework it is probably in the right place.

When this was published in an earlier thread the context was not quite the same, if I remember correctly.

 

[Foxholer]

This only comprises a part of a much bigger policy document which has a number of sections. The whole document is aimed at all Members. It happens that this section is entitled Competitions not Conditions of Competition (as understood in the RoG). Those are published elsewhere as I said earlier. Other sections include General Etiquette, The Clubhouse etc.
Within the overall framework it is probably in the right place.

When this was published in an earlier thread the context was not quite the same, if I remember correctly.

That may be fine for the original doc. But when it's subsequently used for a stand-alone CofC doc, then certain paras may/probably need to be adjusted!

It's not a criticism - just a suggestion/trying to help! I had to audit all the CofCs for the club I ran comps at when they were 'lost', so have experienced the pain of setting them up!