Club Staff having free golf?

[RichA]

At my old club every employee had the same course access as members. It was a good perk of their otherwise quite poorly paid service industry or outdoor labouring jobs. They were employed by the golf course though, not the members' club, which is a separate entity, as is often the case at proprietary golf clubs.
It was none of the members' business what arrangement the owners had with their employees.

If it's a "proper" members club then presumably it's up to the committee elected by its members to decide what perks are offered to employees.

Having greens staff who get to play the course they look after and set up makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Complete relevance you're ok with the club giving discounted fees to people outside of the establishment to look good and bring in people, but not happy for them to give someone who provides a service to your club, you as a member and helps keep the place running. Seems to me there are some backwards priorities there, you should be looking after the people that keep the place running not expecting them to do and pay more than outsiders!

So your pro contact doesn't entitle him to any playing rights at your course, thats one of the worst offers i've come across and doesn't sound in the least bit welcoming.

Someone working at the club can get the same membership offers that anyone else can - we had someone in the office with the same discount age membership as other members

Green staff have the same membership as well

If a staff member wants to play the course then they join the club as well

And the Pro doesn’t seem to mind how the club treat him

 

[upsidedown]

All our staff members have free membership with the Pro and his assistants having free access to the course also.
In my eyes it's what good member clubs do

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Someone working at the club can get the same membership offers that anyone else can - we had someone in the office with the same discount age membership as other members

Green staff have the same membership as well

If a staff member wants to play the course then they join the club as well

And the Pro doesn’t seem to mind how the club treat him

Yet you expect the green staff to give you the best possible course all year round but won't give them a membership as part of that so they can play the course and get the set up even better!

Maybe your pro doesn't mind but i think that very poor as a model for when you replace him in years to come! Each to their own but not something i'd be happy being involved with not even allowing the Club Pro playing rights!

 

[Bunkermagnet]

At my old club every employee had the same course access as members. It was a good perk of their otherwise quite poorly paid service industry or outdoor labouring jobs. They were employed by the golf course though, not the members' club, which is a separate entity, as is often the case at proprietary golf clubs.
It was none of the members' business what arrangement the owners had with their employees.

If it's a "proper" members club then presumably it's up to the committee elected by its members to decide what perks are offered to employees.

Having greens staff who get to play the course they look after and set up makes perfect sense to me.

And they would most likely do a better job.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yet you expect the green staff to give you the best possible course all year round but won't give them a membership as part of that so they can play the course and get the set up even better!

I expect the green staff to do the job that they are paid to do , that’s the whole point of employing green staff

Why do they need cheap membership to help them make the course better

Maybe your pro doesn't mind but i think that very poor as a model for when you replace him in years to come! Each to their own but not something i'd be happy being involved with not even allowing the Club Pro playing rights!

We replaced our pro a couple years back and he had no issues , he is very busy earning lots of money from lessons as well as playing in captain pro challenges , away days and staff vs club

 

[Billysboots]

Our pros definitely play for nothing. I know that because I play with one of them regularly and have asked him the question.

There’s only one of our greenkeepers who plays golf and he is a member elsewhere, which would suggest the staff do not get free or discounted golf.

 

[Neilds]

And they would most likely do a better job.

Certainly works at our place. New head greens keeper is scratch (ish - can’t remember exactly) and he has made quite a few changes since coming in a year ago. He plays the course fairly regularly and has built new tees on two holes, removed pointless bunkers ans changed the shape of a few holes by changing the rough.

 

[The Squirrel]

If you want green keepers to identify any problems, and understand their significance on the playing experience, then them playing the course seems an excellent way to do this while offering an attractive perk that doesn’t cost the club much if anything.

In fact if they’re playing the course in their own time then they will, to some degree, be doing maintenance checks and problem spotting without even being paid for it. Back to it being a very shrewd move to allow this perk.

Still, if you’re fully in the loop on recruitment and are aware that you have a long waiting list of high quality applicants desperate to fill this not tremendously well paid job with antisocial hours then perhaps such perks are unnecessary at your place

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I expect the green staff to do the job that they are paid to do , that’s the whole point of employing green staff

Why do they need cheap membership to help them make the course better


We replaced our pro a couple years back and he had no issues , he is very busy earning lots of money from lessons as well as playing in captain pro challenges , away days and staff vs club

I love how you see no benefit in offering soemthing back to the people who literally make your club a better place for you but you're happy for McIlroy and other multimillionaires to get appearance fees where other pros have to scrap and hope they'll earn a living. Seems double standards or is it because one may affect your pocket and the other doesn't!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Our Head Greenie (a member) and his #1 play (he gets courtesies), as do three of the 'House' team (all members) with a fourth having two daughters as juniors (don't think he plays himself) and a fifth being a pro who competes in Seniors events as well as doing a small amount of teaching. I don't know what subs they all pay to be members - I'm guessing not a lot.

It's great that all the blokes in the House team are members of some standing or another.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I love how you see no benefit in offering soemthing back to the people who literally make your club a better place for you but you're happy for McIlroy and other multimillionaires to get appearance fees where other pros have to scrap and hope they'll earn a living. Seems double standards or is it because one may affect your pocket and the other doesn't!

People are paid to do a job ,Rory is paid to do a job

I work a job the same as the greenstaff , some of them get paid more than some members so why just because someone works at a golf club should they get discounted membership to play cheaper than others ?

They get their food and drink cheap in the club and if they want to play the course they pay a members guest rate or as some of them have done they join the club and get the full benefit of being a member

A PGA pro gets courtesy at any course in the country through the PGA already

The Head GK plays in the away days and staff vs clubs etc without being charged , his son is a member , a number of the bar staff are members as well - they all pay the relevant membership fees for their age

 

[Neilds]

People are paid to do a job ,Rory is paid to do a job

I work a job the same as the greenstaff , some of them get paid more than some members so why just because someone works at a golf club should they get discounted membership to play cheaper than others ?

They get their food and drink cheap in the club and if they want to play the course they pay a members guest rate or as some of them have done they join the club and get the full benefit of being a member

A PGA pro gets courtesy at any course in the country through the PGA already

Hope you don’t have a Blue Light Card or Defence Discount Card.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Hope you don’t have a Blue Light Card or Defence Discount Card.

Why would you hope that

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

People are paid to do a job ,Rory is paid to do a job

I work a job the same as the greenstaff , some of them get paid more than some members so why just because someone works at a golf club should they get discounted membership to play cheaper than others ?

They get their food and drink cheap in the club and if they want to play the course they pay a members guest rate or as some of them have done they join the club and get the full benefit of being a member

A PGA pro gets courtesy at any course in the country through the PGA already

Rory is self employed as are the other Pro's therefore all should get the same benefit not a millionaire star boy get paid to turn up!

I love how you cannot see the benefit of giving staff benefits as part of their jobs. Can tell you support Liverpool only your opinion is relevant

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Why would you hope that

Because you don't like people receiving benefits or perks that they've earned of been afforded by others and it would be somewhat hypocritical

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Rory is self employed as are the other Pro's therefore all should get the same benefit not a millionaire star boy get paid to turn up!

I love how you cannot see the benefit of giving staff benefits as part of their jobs. Can tell you support Liverpool only your opinion is relevant

What does supporting Liverpool have to do with anything ?

If someone wants to pay Rory something to turn up and do his job that’s up to them - he is being paid to provide a service depending on his level of pay

And the staff do get benefits I just don’t beleive that should be free golf or discounted membership

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Because you don't like people receiving benefits or perks that they've earned of been afforded by others and it would be somewhat hypocritical

When did I say I don’t like people getting benefits ?

I have worked on committee for the last ten years and have worked countless hours for nothing , I don’t expect any free perks for that

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

What does supporting Liverpool have to do with anything ?

If someone wants to pay Rory something to turn up and do his job that’s up to them - he is being paid to provide a service depending on his level of pay

And the staff do get benefits I just don’t beleive that should be free golf or discounted membership

It was a joke man not a penis don’t take it so hard

Your clearly blind to fact many have pointed Liverpool fans are so biased in their opinion they can’t accept that of others

When did I say I don’t like people getting benefits ?

Wow you managed to miss the point everyone is seeing in your response

Might leave it there with speaking to you in this subject you’re clearly right

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Maybe it’s a sign of modern society where there is expectation of “perks” and “benefits” of jobs to add onto a wage that they get paid

Our staff get discounted food and drinks and able to use all the club house facilities

Anyone who wants to play golf at the club joins the club