Club Championships

[Doon frae Troon]

I mentioned previously in the thread ours is qualifying stroke play then match play, all the finals Club Champ, B, C, Seniors, Ladies and other season long match play events are played on one day in September, it's a great way to do it, can't believe that a Club Championship is just decided over 2 rounds stroke play

What happens if one member qualifies for two finals

 

[The Squirrel]

What do you mean? It's better than being the champion of nothing! I wouldn't call myself the club champion though, that's all.

I would, or maybe “Grand Champion”; even winning with a gross score of 97 or whatever.
And I’d expect a trophy the size of the USPGA one.
And every single member to buy me a drink.
And a special parking spot.
And my photo mounted, and not in the bogs; maybe behind the bar would do.
And I’d post it on all my social media (including work profiles) and repeat regularly in case anyone missed it.

[bet you all can think of someone actually like this in your club ]

 

[clubchamp98]

Nothing worse in golf than a golfer calling himself the Club Champion when he/she has won the club handicap prize.

I think there should be a single figure only entry clause to any club championship. [12 at the absolute max.]
Have a separate event for the high handicappers but don't call it the Club Championship

This is what we do but no limit.
You can play if you want to but it’s off scratch for CC.

Times are booked for 36 hole CC then a supplementary medal for everyone else.

 

[clubchamp98]

Then you also come into the whole "should juniors play" debate. My view is yes but many clubs have the event designated as "Men's Champion" with juniors having their own version.
My old club had this until one year the Captain of the club changed the rules because his 16-year old son thought he had a chance of winning. He didn't.
A year later, the rule about "members with two clubs can only play if their home club is this one" got changed because the same son was now a member of another club as well. He didn't win that one either.

In short, clubs do whatever they want which is fine as this thread shows. The problem is when one or two people with their own personalised agendas get involved and screw it up for everyone else.

My ideal club championships? Two consecutive days, scratch and net prizes, Men, Women and Juniors. The latter can enter the adults but have to withdraw from the Junior one to be eligible. Handicap order in Round 1, descending order of gross score on Round 2. Last three juniors, last three ladies and then last 3 x 3 mens groups going out at the end so all those groups get to experience everyone watching them finish on the 18th.

Yes I would play if over two days.
But just can’t manage 36 holes now on quite a hilly course.

Buggies not allowed unless Drs note.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

I would, or maybe “Grand Champion”; even winning with a gross score of 97 or whatever.
And I’d expect a trophy the size of the USPGA one.
And every single member to buy me a drink.
And a special parking spot.
And my photo mounted, and not in the bogs; maybe behind the bar would do.
And I’d post it on all my social media (including work profiles) and repeat regularly in case anyone missed it.

[bet you all can think of someone actually like this in your club ]

Or on this forum ......

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The Club Champion should always be the winner of a scratch competition and it should include juniors

 

[Voyager EMH]

Or on this forum ......

Its me.
Me me me.
The most modest man in the world.

 

[FuzzyDuck]

Ours is open to all but max handicap is capped at 28.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Its me.
Me me me.
The most modest man in the world.

I was in the last group out once with two of our 18-year olds - really good kids. One of them during the round said to me, "have you noticed how everyone stops to watch our group play?" He then followed on with "it's good isn't it?" The scratch team fined him a round of drinks for that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Then you also come into the whole "should juniors play" debate. My view is yes but many clubs have the event designated as "Men's Champion" with juniors having their own version.
My old club had this until one year the Captain of the club changed the rules because his 16-year old son thought he had a chance of winning. He didn't.
A year later, the rule about "members with two clubs can only play if their home club is this one" got changed because the same son was now a member of another club as well. He didn't win that one either.

In short, clubs do whatever they want which is fine as this thread shows. The problem is when one or two people with their own personalised agendas get involved and screw it up for everyone else.

My ideal club championships? Two consecutive days, scratch and net prizes, Men, Women and Juniors. The latter can enter the adults but have to withdraw from the Junior one to be eligible. Handicap order in Round 1, descending order of gross score on Round 2. Last three juniors, last three ladies and then last 3 x 3 mens groups going out at the end so all those groups get to experience everyone watching them finish on the 18th.

Why my club has an entry criteria... Juniors must have a handicap index of 9.0 or less at the time of entry.

We want to find the 'best' golfer in the club, and no player (junior or otherwise) with a HI of more than 9.0 is going to win the scratch comp. It's possible a very rapid improving junior of HI < 9.0 could have a stonker and win the handicap prize, but for me that's OK.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This is what we do but no limit.
You can play if you want to but it’s off scratch for CC.

Times are booked for 36 hole CC then a supplementary medal for everyone else.

Trouble with that is there are always a few zoomers who are of the 'I once got a trial for Crystal Palace' types.

 

[kp17]

Ours is all, with a gross and nett prize. Club champ is considered the scratch winner.

The way it should be

 

[clubchamp98]

Trouble with that is there are always a few zoomers who are of the 'I once got a trial for Crystal Palace' types.

I didn’t know Crystal Palace had a golf society.

 

[Golfnut1957]

Ours like many others is 36 holes over two days. Open to anyone but limited to a specific number, should too many enter then the higher handicaps are balloted out. In practice that rarely happens these days.

The club champion is the player with the lowest 36 hole gross. There is a trophy for the best 36 hole net.

I only ever played in it once. After the first round I was 2nd in the best net and not a million miles off the scratch. On the Sunday I was still in the hunt for the net trophy up until the 12th where I pulled my approach OB. I then proceeded to crumble like a digestive in a cup of tea.

It's interesting that I can't find any mention of it in this year's club diary.

 

[fenwayrich]

Ours has changed this year. Used to be 36 in a day, handicap limit around 9. Now it's top 21 in the Saturday Medal qualify for the 2nd round on the following day. Played in conjunction with a Club Handicap 'Championship', the first round of which was a month ago.
Apparently some of our low handicappers voted for it because they struggle with 36 in a day. Dreadful idea, I hate it with a passion.

 

[TheDiablo]

Ours is 36 holes, Saturday then Sunday.

Balloted at 72 entrants, normally between 9 and 10. I should squeeze in again this year

Top 36 into day 2. Winner is Club Champ

Top 8 then into match play for Scratch knockout.

No nett equivalent.

We do have a separate 36 hole nett medal (tomorrow) which is probably our main nett tournament of the year.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Club Champion should always be the winner of a scratch competition and it should include juniors

Should it also include ladies…playing off same tees as gents? Best golfer is who is sought after all…

On that a question..if back tees are not rated for ladies does that matter for a scratch competition?

 

[D-S]

Should it also include ladies…playing off same tees as gents? Best golfer is who is sought after all…

On that a question..if back tees are not rated for ladies does that matter for a scratch competition?

No it doesn’t matter, if the Comp Committee want they can choose any set of rated tees for competitors to play off e.g. white for men, yellows for women and you can use score balancing to achieve the scratch result. We used our 63 for men and 57 for men this year but next year we will use 65 and 60.
If you have tee sets that have the same CR for men and women you could use them and no need for score balancing to- this is what they did for the Scandinavian Mixed on the DPWT Tour.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No it doesn’t matter, if the Comp Committee want they can choose any set of rated tees for competitors to play off e.g. white for men, yellows for women and you can use score balancing to achieve the scratch result. We used our 63 for men and 57 for men this year but next year we will use 65 and 60.
If you have tee sets that have the same CR for men and women you could use them and no need for score balancing to- this is what they did for the Scandinavian Mixed on the DPWT Tour.

But if the club decided to put ladies off the same tees as gents but the tees weren't rated for ladies - does that matter for a scratch comp.

I think I may have misunderstood your reply but it seemed to be aimed at getting equivalence between ladies and gents for handicap comp purposes - but if all you are looking for is the best scratch golfer why would that matter.

I can see you'd maybe wish to have some conversion of HIs to align ladies HI with Gents HI if you are setting a cut-off for entry - but even then you could just apply the same HI cut-off for ladies and gents - even though the ladies HIs won't be based upon the tees they will be playing off. As I'm only thinking of the scratch comp for club champion you could perhaps set the same HI cut-off as we do for juniors - 9.0 or less (for my club that would have max of two - maybe three, ladies playing).

But I think you also imply that you feel that there is no reason why a lady golfer should be excluded from being club champion because of her sex. How the club brings it about that a lady can play in the Club Champs is up to the club.

 

[D-S]

But if the club decided to put ladies off the same tees as gents but the tees weren't rated for ladies - does that matter for a scratch comp.

I think I may have misunderstood your reply but it seemed to be aimed at getting equivalence between ladies and gents for handicap comp purposes - but if all you are looking for is the best scratch golfer why would that matter.

I can see you'd maybe wish to have some conversion of HIs to align ladies HI with Gents HI if you are setting a cut-off for entry - but even then you could just apply the same HI cut-off for ladies and gents - even though the ladies HIs won't be based upon the tees they will be playing off. As I'm only thinking of the scratch comp for club champion you could perhaps set the same HI cut-off as we do for juniors - 9.0 or less (for my club that would have max of two - maybe three, ladies playing).

But I think you also imply that you feel that there is no reason why a lady golfer should be excluded from being club champion because of her sex. How the club brings it about that a lady can play in the Club Champs is up to the club.

If players of both sexes played off the same tees then it would be an Open competition not a Mixed one.

In order to achieve an equitable result rated tee sets and balancing shots must be used even in scratch competitions.

There are a few relatively prestigious regional competitions at Junior levels where girls and boys compete in scratch competitions on this basis.