Clean air zones

The moment you have to report your mileage to be charged is the moment that fraud takes over and everyone under-reports.

Newer ev chargers by law have to report kw usage


I have one of these

However doesn't stop me using a 3 pin charger thus under reporting

Something will be thought of by time it comes in
 
Rather than a very expensive to implement, pay by mile scheme and or an expensive to administer road fund tax, scrap both and stick a bit on petrol / EV charging .
Then truly the people who drive more will pay more.

Why complicate it ?
Yes I see the merit in this.

easy on petrol but that has enough tax on it already to keep the roads like billiard tables.
But we all know those taxes are not used on the roads ,that needs to change.!

charging people more for the electricity seems fraught with danger.
 
Isn't there a spanner in the works in that there is not enough lithium mined to meet all the "petrol is evil" deadlines.
Correct. I think the hope is that another method of running batteries will come along in the near future and make lithium either redundant or left for use in golf trolleys 😉 .

More wing and a prayer stuff though. There is a lot of 'hoping' going on in all of this, a lot of fingers being crossed.
 
It matters for a few reasons. How will pay per mile be calculated? As with any new scheme, it's always designed to raise more revenue than the last. Will the government be tracking your every move? Fuel duty charges the same per litre regardless of how much you use. Will pay per mile cost you more and more proportionately if you drive more, or at certain times of day?
It will be calculated by the mile I guess ......sounds like a great idea to me
 
How long has that temporary income tax and 20% VAT got left?

I was never a good economist but

Let us assume that as part of my salary, my employer pays me £100 that I pay to the governement in income tax.

Income tax is abolished. My employer can pay me £100 less. The government can invent £100, quantitive easing style.

Immediate effect (micro economic?): inland revenue is abolished, saving loads of money in salaries, building rentals etc.

More important effect (macro economic?): my employer's cost have gone down because my salary is smaller. My employer can thus reduce the price of his goods. Purchasers of his goods are better off because goods are cheaper so their employers can pay them less. This is in addition to the reduction in their salaries due to the lack of income tax.

Economics 'A' level question: What happens next?
 
I was never a good economist but

Let us assume that as part of my salary, my employer pays me £100 that I pay to the governement in income tax.

Income tax is abolished. My employer can pay me £100 less. The government can invent £100, quantitive easing style.

Immediate effect (micro economic?): inland revenue is abolished, saving loads of money in salaries, building rentals etc.

More important effect (macro economic?): my employer's cost have gone down because my salary is smaller. My employer can thus reduce the price of his goods. Purchasers of his goods are better off because goods are cheaper so their employers can pay them less. This is in addition to the reduction in their salaries due to the lack of income tax.

Economics 'A' level question: What happens next?

Unemployment rises due to a large number of civil servants being made redundant.

The Exchequer runs out of money, public services fail and we end up in a bit of a mess

The IMF have a coronary, the markets bomb and interest rates skyrocket as we are seen as a country that can’t pay its way, so how about we don’t
👍
 
Wasn't Ben Franklin but a guy called Bullock who first made a reference to what is certain in life.

"You lye, you are not sure; for I say, Woman, 'tis impossible to be sure of any thing but Death and Taxes".
— Toby Guzzle, in Christopher Bullock, The Cobbler of Preston, p. 21

About time they taxed caravans.
 
Wasn't Ben Franklin but a guy called Bullock who first made a reference to what is certain in life.

"You lye, you are not sure; for I say, Woman, 'tis impossible to be sure of any thing but Death and Taxes".
— Toby Guzzle, in Christopher Bullock, The Cobbler of Preston, p. 21

About time they taxed caravans.
whats your issue with caravans?
 
Correct. I think the hope is that another method of running batteries will come along in the near future and make lithium either redundant or left for use in golf trolleys 😉 .

More wing and a prayer stuff though. There is a lot of 'hoping' going on in all of this, a lot of fingers being crossed.
Yes but that’s not a great strategy.
So much on a wing and a prayer.
Meantime tax us until the pips squeak.
 
Agreed, it's an awful strategy. Does it even count as a strategy 🤔.

'Build it and they will come '. It's a Field of Dreams job 😪

We reap what we sow tho

Tin foil hat a bit but spending years pushing back new tech because oil was so easy to produce and made every one rich...

Maybe if we had acted a bit more sensible it wouldn't be such a dash now
 
We reap what we sow tho

Tin foil hat a bit but spending years pushing back new tech because oil was so easy to produce and made every one rich...

Maybe if we had acted a bit more sensible it wouldn't be such a dash now
Short term approach, easy money to make, big corporate pressure groups in both oil and the motor industry. No one was listening for many years, the big polluters still aren't. There is no easy solution, no point pretending otherwise.
 
Short term approach, easy money to make, big corporate pressure groups in both oil and the motor industry. No one was listening for many years, the big polluters still aren't. There is no easy solution, no point pretending otherwise.

Hybrids been around for decades

They should have been forced to be the only type of engine sold from 2020 or something... Was it Volvo stopped making cars without them?

Reduce emissions (non plug in ones) and use less fuel
 
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