Clause 19

[9860]

Hello all, I am a new golf member, just got my handicap. I can't make sense of clause 19. I played in my first stableford comp last week and I have looked through the full results and seen all the scores. For every non point scoring hole, the strokes entered have all been 9. From what I understand, are non scoring holes supposed to be counted as a nett double bogey for handicap adjustment purposes? I have read and 're read but can't get my head around it...

 

[KenL]

Not sure about the number used but the overall effect is that you scored zero stableford points on those holes.

 

[oltimer]

I think you may find that the double bogey system is used on Medal rounds so that you can`t Par 17 holes and run up a big score on one hole so that your hcap is not adjusted. (extreme example). Stableford Cards are recorded with points as on the Card - a blob is a blob.
You can always download the congu hand book but why bother ? your hcap sec will look after your hcap.

 

[9860]

Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean, however, an example from last week is that I was on a par 4 receiving 1 shot. I played 6 shots and picked up to keep the pace of play up. I was then given a 9 on that hole and my handicap increased 0.1 because I finished 1 shot outside the buffer zone. Surely this can't be right?

 

[bobmac]

Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean, however, an example from last week is that I was on a par 4 receiving 1 shot. I played 6 shots and picked up to keep the pace of play up. I was then given a 9 on that hole and my handicap increased 0.1 because I finished 1 shot outside the buffer zone. Surely this can't be right?

Don't quote me but if you picked up on a par 5 where you got 2 shots and you were given an 8, you'd still score a point. Giving you a 9 ensures you get no points.

I could be wrong but that makes sense to me

 

[9860]

Don't quote me but if you picked up on a par 5 where you got 2 shots and you were given an 8, you'd still score a point. Giving you a 9 ensures you get no points.

I could be wrong but that makes sense to me

Of course that makes sense, but in the example I gave, any more than a 6 on that hole means no points.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean, however, an example from last week is that I was on a par 4 receiving 1 shot. I played 6 shots and picked up to keep the pace of play up. I was then given a 9 on that hole and my handicap increased 0.1 because I finished 1 shot outside the buffer zone. Surely this can't be right?

You NR’d that particular hole as you couldn’t score and picked up, what was entered on that hole by the person marking your card?

 

[Twire]

Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean, however, an example from last week is that I was on a par 4 receiving 1 shot. I played 6 shots and picked up to keep the pace of play up. I was then given a 9 on that hole and my handicap increased 0.1 because I finished 1 shot outside the buffer zone. Surely this can't be right?

If you were playing a Medal round that hole should be rounded down to a nett double bogie for handicap purposes. i.e. at the point you would score no points in stableford.

 

[rosecott]

Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean, however, an example from last week is that I was on a par 4 receiving 1 shot. I played 6 shots and picked up to keep the pace of play up. I was then given a 9 on that hole and my handicap increased 0.1 because I finished 1 shot outside the buffer zone. Surely this can't be right?

Your buffer zone is based on your stableford score, so your score showing as 9 makes no difference - a 9 or a stableford blob both have the same effect on buffer or out of buffer.

 

[Colin L]

Where are you seeing these scores?

 

[9860]

You NR’d that particular hole as you couldn’t score and picked up, what was entered on that hole by the person marking your card?

Just a line through that particular hole. The 9 was put on by whoever checks the cards after. Every player, for every NR'd hole, had a 9. Some players had 4 or more "9"s. In most cases this won't be an issue because if you are going up it's always 0.1 right? But in my case, that one 9 put me one shot outside the buffer zone and therefore I went up. From what I understand of clause 19, a NR hole should have been a nett double bogey, which in my case would have been 7, and would have put me inside the buffer zone and therefore had no increase.

 

[9860]

Where are you seeing these scores?

They are available to view on howdidido

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just a line through that particular hole. The 9 was put on by whoever checks the cards after. Every player, for every NR'd hole, had a 9. Some players had 4 or more "9"s. In most cases this won't be an issue because if you are going up it's always 0.1 right? But in my case, that one 9 put me one shot outside the buffer zone and therefore I went up. From what I understand of clause 19, a NR hole should have been a nett double bogey, which in my case would have been 7, and would have put me inside the buffer zone and therefore had no increase.

Who enters your cards on to the system?

 

[Twire]

Just a line through that particular hole. The 9 was put on by whoever checks the cards after. Every player, for every NR'd hole, had a 9. Some players had 4 or more "9"s. In most cases this won't be an issue because if you are going up it's always 0.1 right? But in my case, that one 9 put me one shot outside the buffer zone and therefore I went up. From what I understand of clause 19, a NR hole should have been a nett double bogey, which in my case would have been 7, and would have put me inside the buffer zone and therefore had no increase.

Were you playing a Medal or a Stableford?.... Just re-read OP so it was a Stableford. In that case it doesn't matter if you had a 7 or 77 on your card. For handicap purposes it's based on points scored and you didn't score on that hole.

 

[Twire]

Were you playing a Medal or a Stableford?.... Just re-read OP so it was a Stableford. In that case it doesn't matter if you had a 7 or 77 on your card. For handicap purposes it's based on points scored and you didn't score on that hole.

Just to add if we don't score on a hole and pick up, we enter a 0 on our system.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just to add if we don't score on a hole and pick up, we enter a 0 on our system.

Hence my question, we enter NR, the arbitary 9 does seem a bit odd.

 

[9860]

Just to add if we don't score on a hole and pick up, we enter a 0 on our system.

That explains everything thank you. I was under the impression that even in a stableford, handicap was adjusted by your stroke score, this clears it up thank you

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If you were playing a Medal round that hole should be rounded down to a nett double bogie for handicap purposes. i.e. at the point you would score no points in stableford.

If you were playing a medal and you picked up, you would mark an nr. However in likelihood he would have putted out.
Just clarifying your point re nett double bogey which is correct for handicapping, but you must still mark a card with a correct score/outcome.
When we enter our stableford scores, our touch screen system has an nr option on each hole.

 

[rulefan]

The system software will be converting a NR for the hole (normally entered as a 0) into a 9. But I don't know if it is the HDID display system or the handicapping software itself (Club2000/V1)

I'm not sure what it will show when 54 caps come in and a player who gets 3 strokes on a par 5 blobs it as opposed to scoring gross 9, 10 or 11.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

How many points did you score in total for your round and what was the CSS for the competition? That will help us work out whether the 0.1 was correct or not (I'm sure it will be but we are here to help )