Chelsea lead the way towards Living Wage

[NWJocko]

That should say " A source close to the negotiations" said!!!

For complete accuracy I guess so.

If he was happy with it he would sign for that though.....

Zero hours contracts and not paying a living wage with the money in the premier league is disgraceful. Not surprising but disgraceful.

 

[Pin-seeker]

That should say " A source close to the negotiations" said!!!

Yet again agents trying to hold a club to ransom I reckon.
With Liverpools current problems it will probably play into Sterling & his agents hands when negotiating,like it did with Rooney & UTD.
Haven't QPR got something like A 20% cut of any sell on fee?

 

[Liverbirdie]

I obviously cannot speak for others but my criticism was not specifically aimed at Chelsea but more generally at all Premier League clubs for thinking that it is OK to pay many of their staff less than a living wage. Also criticism is directed towards the Living Wage Foundation for their supine acceptance of the situation in a business sector that is awash with money and seemingly untouched by austerity measures.

Whilst Chelsea's action should receive credit it should not be forgotten that, until now, they have been as guilty as all others.

MM - I know what your saying, but like the slave trade, when one country stands up others can follow suit in time. Not comparing the slave trade to Chelsea's new policy, but at the same time, somehow apt.

 

[bozza]

Well done Chelsea!

Hope it shames every other Football club - and every other company - into doing the same thing!

So a club like Everton who i support who don't have a billionaire owner or anywhere near the type sponsorship money coming in to the club should have to follow suit?

 

[Liverbirdie]

So a club like Everton who i support who don't have a billionaire owner or anywhere near the type sponsorship money coming in to the club should have to follow suit?

I think Everton would have to start with the players...

 

[ADB]

So it'll only take them until 2017 to implement the change in full - something that they could do by next pay day! What do they do with the staff paid marginally over the living wage rate, do they give everyone the same increase as the lowest in order to keep differentials the same?

Currently working on the implementation of Living Wage for a local authority service and this is a long and complex process to balance staff gaining sometimes a 20% increase without any change in duties, to the staff who are perhaps in a junior supervisory role having no real term increase. It cannot be done overnight and, the evidence appears to show that the introduction of Living Wage tends to go hand in hand with a general policy of rationalisation of numbers over the consultation period. In short, those that stay get more, but head count is reduced.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Currently working on the implementation of Living Wage for a local authority service and this is a long and complex process to balance staff gaining sometimes a 20% increase without any change in duties, to the staff who are perhaps in a junior supervisory role having no real term increase. It cannot be done overnight and, the evidence appears to show that the introduction of Living Wage tends to go hand in hand with a general policy of rationalisation of numbers over the consultation period. In short, those that stay get more, but head count is reduced.

Boooooo - Chelsea want to make redundancies, and they are doing it under this guise.

I knew they were up to no good.......

 

[ADB]

Boooooo - Chelsea want to make redundancies, and they are doing it under this guise.

I knew they were up to no good.......

the rotters

 

[Hacker Khan]

So a club like Everton who i support who don't have a billionaire owner or anywhere near the type sponsorship money coming in to the club should have to follow suit?

As I said in another post, the annual budget for the school I am governor of is probably half of the total weekly wages most premier league clubs pay their players. So yes, if schools can do it then so can premier league clubs. It's just a case of extra money going somewhere and less money going somewhere else. And it is a bit worrying if a premier league claims they cannot afford to do as as you think, jeez, what kind of pittance have you been paying some (but obviously not all) of your employees?

 

[Hacker Khan]

MetalMickie, I don't see that you have to justify yourself. Your first post qualified that it was a a football-wide problem rather than limited to Chelsea, but obviously as the first club to do it we are going to be the one most talked about. The comment wasn't aimed at you, my apologies if you felt it was.

I'm not suggesting that we should be receiving credit for it, just that we shouldn't be receiving a kicking for doing it as Hacker Khan continued to do. I see that Hacker Khan has now called out the rest of the Premier League but, according to the post, only to please me, rather than because it would have been the right thing to do in the first place.

if you look at post 2 you will see I referred to all premier league clubs and the absurdity of the situation. Sorry if you felt if this was an attack on your beloved Chelsea from a bitter rival. It is not, I support a Conference team if any, and I would kind of thought that it went without saying that other premier league clubs were scumbags for not doing it. But if it needed spelling out to maintain the moral high ground then I have done so.

Anyway, this is getting childish now as from the vast majority of the football posts it is pretty clear that most club supporters think their club can do little wrong it is mostly pointless arguing. So I will stop. Honestly.

 

[JCW]

Russian money , no big deal to a man who pays players lots to play for other clubs .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Russian money , no big deal to a man who pays players lots to play for other clubs .

What nationality is Usmanov ?

 

[CMAC]

I will not name the company in public as what my daughter told me was I assume in confidence.

I shall PM Phill and hope he has the decency to respect that.

but you'll publicly shout on a forum that everyone else should!

during the referendum debate you posted unsubstantiated nonsense daily, now you're doing it again.

I put it to you that no 'well known high street store' would make a pregnant woman stand continuously for 6 hrs, it's against the law, employee rights and would leave them wide open to a compensation suit. Despite this, you still wont say which in my books makes you as bad as the alleged retailer. If however, you embellished the story you heard with no facts then say so.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

 

[Doon frae Troon]

but you'll publicly shout on a forum that everyone else should!

during the referendum debate you posted unsubstantiated nonsense daily, now you're doing it again.

I put it to you that no 'well known high street store' would make a pregnant woman stand continuously for 6 hrs, it's against the law, employee rights and would leave them wide open to a compensation suit. Despite this, you still wont say which in my books makes you as bad as the alleged retailer. If however, you embellished the story you heard with no facts then say so.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

To the best of my knowledge it is not against the law or employment rights.

Can you prove me wrong, I shall be more than willing to apologise. If not are you just doing what you accuse me of ?

 

[CMAC]

To the best of my knowledge it is not against the law or employment rights.

Can you prove me wrong, I shall be more than willing to apologise. If not are you just doing what you accuse me of ?

its not about proving you wrong! you said all companies should be named and shamed but you dont practice what you preach!


as an aside An employer should give an employee enough breaks to make sure their health and safety isn’t at risk if that work is ‘monotonous’(Gov official website on contracts of employment and working hours) I'd say stacking shelves is regarded as that. It's also just decency to have a pregnant woman resting or sitting if required. If she works 1 second over 6 hrs she must have a minimum 20 minutes. I've never heard of an employee in a 'well known company' not to get at least 2 separate breaks in a shift.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

its not about proving you wrong! you said all companies should be named and shamed but you dont practice what you preach!


as an aside An employer should give an employee enough breaks to make sure their health and safety isn’t at risk if that work is ‘monotonous’(Gov official website on contracts of employment and working hours) I'd say stacking shelves is regarded as that. It's also just decency to have a pregnant woman resting or sitting if required. If she works 1 second over 6 hrs she must have a minimum 20 minutes. I've never heard of an employee in a 'well known company' not to get at least 2 separate breaks in a shift.

So not against employment law as you stated earlier.

 

[CMAC]

So not against employment law as you stated earlier.

Employment health and safety law- that ok?

now, back to your preaching? or are you going to deflect and duck yet again despite numerous requests by numerous posters?

 

[JCW]

What nationality is Usmanov ?

You not very clever are you , you already know the answer to that question , and you also know his money is not wanted by Arsenal board and that as the 2nd biggest shareholder he does not even have a say or a seat on the board and you still choose to ask me , Are you Cat 1 yet or you still telling everyone you are , i know the answer to that too , LS is not leaving Liverpool lol

 

[Pin-seeker]

Doon obviously doesn't want to name the store so maybe that should be an end to it.

 

[CMAC]

Doon obviously doesn't want to name the store so maybe that should be an end to it.

agreed, he shouldnt make these wild accusations and cries of name and shame then.