Cheating ?

[4jabputt]

Whats everyones stance on the golf cheater & there is alot of em going about, even so called freindly games with friends, etc. why dont the ones who cheat find another sport to play, its just so blatant-wrong score on holes. dropping balls where the ball was lost, moving the ball for a better lie, so many to voice, its one if not the most irratating thing regarding playing this wonderful sport, I'd like others opinions how they find it & how they cope with it-do they make there feelings known to there club or will it always be the way its always been, its not up to us to concentrate on others scores is it ? we got a game to play aswell. Golf doesn't build character " it reveals it.

 

[HTL]

Have you ever thought about changing playing partners?

 

[FaldosJumper]

Normally I'm OK with this type of activity unless money is involved or it's a competition... otherwise live and let live, unless I didn't like them of course Oh for the record I play as it lies!

 

[USER1999]

I only know two at my club, and just accept it. They never win anything anyway. It is so blatant. Look for a ball for 4 minutes, and then find it sat on a 4" tee peg in the rough, shining like a flipping beacon. Like we couldn't have found it sooner if it had been like that originally. I find it funny.

 

[BrianDamage]

I've a mate who I play friendlies with from time to time who's always at it. He can't get through a round without cheating I'd say atleast a couple of times.
It does annoy me even though there's nothing riding on the outcome.

 

[slugger]

I've played with a few cheaters since i took the game up a couple of years ago. Most blatant was similar to the ones murphthemog has witnessed.... looking about for a ball for ages then all of a sudden it's there and got a good lie. Thing is, i actually saw one of the old bloked drop a ball out his pocket and not say anything....

My regular playing partners asked why i didn't report it. I said it's cause they're cheating themselves as they were no where near winning anything anyway... If truth be told, i couldn't be bothered with the hastle. The folk i've witnessed cheating are part of a very apparent clique at my old club and i couldn't care less about them.

 

[Smiffy]

Biggest cheats are bandits.
Don't get me going off on one

 

[thecraw]

My opinion on cheating!

Its a very taboo subject.

Unless you have cast iron proof then I suggest you keep your mouth shut. You don't go bitching and talking about it behind their back either.

If you have proof and I suggest that you will need corroboration for that then you challenge the person there and then on the golf course. Not in the clubhouse, not a day or two later.

It's not enough to have a suspicion because someone finds their ball in the rough or because they have a playable lie!

 

[USER1999]

The two I am thinking of are so blatant it is silly. They even do it for others.

We were looking for my partners ball in some rough. I found it, recognised his markings and called out got it. Creepy (not my partner) walks over picks it up, says Tileist 4, cleans it, and then puts it down in a preferential lie. My mate gets there, and says blimey, that's a lucky result. You should have got here earlier mate, it wasn't.

As I said, I just laugh at it.

 

[bobmac]

Biggest cheats are bandits.

Noooooooooo
Sanbaggers are worse

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think bandits or handicap protectors to be specific are a separate entity. Cheats none the less but I think the OP is referring to the leather wedge brigade and the find it no matter where.

If its a competition and I saw somethin untoward I'd mention it to my partner and see if he saw anything. If I haven't got cast iron proof I'd mention to the guilty party that I saw what he did and that if there was a repeat I wouldn't sign the card. The fact that they know I'm watching has so far always resulted in playing by the rules for the rest of the round

We've had instances where people have been accused by another member and the third player in the group (in a medal) didn't see it and so it became one mans word against another. Given the fact that a golfers character WILL get tarnished if they are accused of cheating (whether guilty or not) it was decided that there was insufficient evidence and the matter taken no further. You have to be 100% certain

 

[DingleBerry]

Yeah Homer i agree with you... 100% certain until then do not say nothing!!!

 

[JustOne]

We have a daily roll-up at my place, best 2 of 3 scores to count, odd how some people think 6 foot is a gimme in some groups whilst others go down to length of putter grip.... amazing what some people will do for an extra point and the chance to win about £4

 

[Basher]

I invited a guy from work to my course.

1st hole, his tee shot landed within staked trees.
"Oooh, staked trees, I get a free drop" he correctly states. Trouble was, there was no club in anyones bag long enough to measure out the clublength he dropped his ball. He brought his ball completely out of the area, found a good patch of grass and dropped it.

As the round progressed I saw him nudge the ball with his foot in order to get a better lie. Pick up his ball a couple of times to clean it OFF THE GREEN!!!

Needless to say, he's never had an invite back.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Agree with that. I played in a comp once with a guy who hit his ball into some of the worst parts of our course. To be honest, I didn't know some of them existed. Anyway, it must have been 5 or 6 times he disappeared into trees, some of which were hard enough to get into, let alone find a ball. I helped him look every time but never found one. Strangely enough, he never lost a single ball. I didn't see any cheating so haven't said anything but he was either very lucky or ...

 

[didsbury_duffer]

Most of you are far more lenient than I would be if I played with a leather wedger. I'd be saying something. I think some of you would have a different attitude if you came up against the guy in the club summer knock-out.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the leather wedge is pretty cut and dried though especially in a match environment. You will see him do it whereas the guy who can find a ball in thick bushes at 20 paces will always be subjective unless you see him do it and can get the 3rd member of the group to concur

 

[backwoodsman]

Had one in the swindle where he sliced a drive off the tee. Because I was standing a bit wide of the tee, I could see it all the way - bounced a couple of times on edge of fairway, then nosed dived into the (very) rough in gap between two trees.

We walk up & I go to the very spot to look - but as I say it was very good rough. He goes about 40 yards up & looks under a weeping willow - which has canopy hanging all way to ground - ergo, you can't see him. (Always very bare under there and an easy punt back onto fairway) And lo, he finds his ball!

"Are you sure that's yours" I ask "as I'm sure I saw it go in here!" (And me knowing that although I can't see it yet, I know I'm no more than 3-4 yards from his ball). Yep it's mine alright he says. "well as long as you're really sure!" "Yep definitely mine" says he.

Since the other person in our three ball didn't see it land - what can I do short of calling him an outright cheat?

 

[clubchamp07]

If someone has a name for cheating they will never get rid of it. Once tarnished and all that.
I'm lead to beleive that it takes 2 people to see someone cheat. I have seen a guy do stuff but unless someone else see's him doing it I cant say anything.
I dont play with guys who has a name for themselves, I play this game for enjoyment not to go out to watch someone else. I know the old saying "their only cheating themselves" bollocks to that. Their cheating me you and lord knows who else out of a prize. So if you have a tag you won't be playing in my 4 ball................

 

[villaman]

Just remember that the only people they are cheating are themselves.