Robobum
Money List Winner
This is becoming a bit of a farce. Justin Thomas latest to get stung by it.
Silly silly ruling
Silly silly ruling
Causing the ball to move on the putting green
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Colin L
Tour Winner
How about being a bit more specific about what, where and why? I only do cryptic in crosswords.
Robobum
Money List Winner
You must be terrible at them if that was too cryptic
http://www.sportal.co.nz/golf/news/...n-ruling-experiemnt/3cdtv65cxj6e17anu9nxoi5n3
rulefan
Tour Winner
So how would you change it?
Robobum
Money List Winner
Did you touch the ball with your club to cause it to move? No. Replace the ball in its original spot and crack on, without penalty.
MadAdey
Money List Winner
This si the most craziest of rules. A ball moves 1/8" and a player gets a 1 stroke penalty. How has he gained any advantage and IMO as long as he has not taken a stroke at the ball he should just replace it and carry on with no penalty. At the end of the day it's not like he is in the rough and by making the ball move then replacing it he may gain an advantage by his lie improving.
rulefan
Tour Winner
1) So how far can he move it?
2) If he didn't move it, he plays it as it lies with no penalty. What's wrong with that?
rulefan
Tour Winner
Replace the ball in its original spot - why?
It would seem that it was determined later that he did move it.
But the real problem was the green speed, stimping at 12ish
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bobmac
Major Champion
I think it's wrong to penalise someone who has done nothing wrong.
MadAdey
Money List Winner
IMO it doesn't matter how far it moves, as long as he replaces the ball in it's original position. If he hasn't made a stroke, then why worry about it. Some of these tour greens are so god damn fast, if the ball is on a slope there is a real risk that any contact with the ground near the ball can cause it to move.
When it comes to the rules of golf, if a player does something that does not cause him to gain an advantage, then just put it back and carry on. Obviously if he puts his putter down and the ball roles off down the green showing him the line then that is gaining an advantage. If a ball moves less than an inch on a green the player is not gaining any type of advantage.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If the cause of the ball moving is you taking your stance then you're getting a penalty no matter what you do...
How can that be fair?
You may as well lean over 3 feet and nudge it a big closer to the hole - same result, another shot on the total.
Of course you don't know that the ball is going to move when you take your stance do you....
A no-win situation....
How can that be fair?
You may as well lean over 3 feet and nudge it a big closer to the hole - same result, another shot on the total.
Of course you don't know that the ball is going to move when you take your stance do you....
A no-win situation....
Robobum
Money List Winner
Replace it because that is a set point where the ball has been placed originally for that stroke. (I'd also change to replace the ball if it rolls off without being addressed too)
There is no way that they can categorically say that he caused the ball to move without using the rule to suggest that.
12 isn't super quick (for them) so the issue would surely be exacerbated
rulefan
Tour Winner
1) Addressing is bo longer mentioned in the rule.
2) I agree the players can cope with the put but that's not the point. 12+ is relevant to this issue when there is the slightest breeze. Although pros have commented to me that '10/11 is fast, 12 is stupid fast'.
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Maninblack4612
Tour Winner
I would imagine the distance the ball moved is smaller than the distance between a ball's original position before a player marked it & where it was replaced on many occasions. It is almost physically impossible to replace a ball exactly where it was before it was marked. Materiality must come into it, do you penalise for a millimetre, half a millimetre? If no advantage is gained then no penalty, let the referee decide that if it isn't obvious.
bobmac
Major Champion
I would like to see the following........
If the ball moves before you address it, no penalty and play it from where it finished rolling.
If the ball moves after you have addressed it and you didn't cause the ball to move, no penalty and replace the ball
If the ball moves before you address it, no penalty and play it from where it finished rolling.
If the ball moves after you have addressed it and you didn't cause the ball to move, no penalty and replace the ball
Robobum
Money List Winner
I don't think that first bit is even fair Bob. Was it Billy Horschel @ Augusta where his ball rolled off into the water whilst he was reading the putt?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It was.
Replacing removes the question of how far you can move it before advantage is gained.
bobmac
Major Champion
What happens if it rolls into the hole as you walk onto the green
There has to be a cut off point when it's replaced or not and I suggest it's when you address the ball
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MadAdey
Money List Winner
I'm more or less with you on that Bob. But I would like to see it that once the player has marked the ball, that is where the putt has to be played from, if it moves or not before or after address. If it does move then the player has to replace it as close to it's original position as possible. If the player has attempted to make a stroke then this is under penalty of one stroke, if he has only addressed it then it is replaced without penalty.
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guest100718
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Looking at the video. It looks like he was at fault.
