Catholic Church more scandle

[Foxholer]

The clergy of any church has to obey the law just like the rest of us. No-one is or should be above the law. The police and courts should deal with the perpetrators. This should be the case wherever the law is broken. The catholic church has not done itself any favours by failing to deal with this effectively and I don't think many would be content to leave it to them to deal with any more.

While I agree about clergy having to obey the law, I can understand (though don't necessarily accept) the reluctance of some communities to hand over perps to civil authorities when they believe they have capabilities to handle it in their own community.
And there's enough evidence that civil authorities don't handle things particularly sympathetically at times!

 

[chris661]

I've never been abused, and I've never gone to church. Must be safer not to go to church and possibly be non religious?

What an absolutely idiotic statement.

 

[Sweep]

While I agree about clergy having to obey the law, I can understand (though don't necessarily accept) the reluctance of some communities to hand over perps to civil authorities when they believe they have capabilities to handle it in their own community.

Which is exactly why the catholic church is in this terrible situation now and why ensuring it never happens again has to come from the grass roots, the church goers, the catholic community. They must make it clear that this behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

 

[Bomber69]

What an absolutely idiotic statement.

Have to agree with you on that one Chris:thup:

Mind you if he had of said Chapel then it would have merit

Anyway it looks like the Law are getting behind the victims now and a full investigation is getting under way and every day there are more victims are coming forward. You gotta ask what has really gone on is these places and how many men of the cloth will be rooted out through these investigations. I hope the put them away till the day they die for what they have done.

 

[Sweep]

I've never been abused, and I've never gone to church. Must be safer not to go to church and possibly be non religious?

Someone may correct me but when was there a war based on non-religious grounds?

Quite the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on here.

 

[My_HarrisTweed_Cap]

What an absolutely idiotic statement.

Is it as idiotic as accusing someone of having an agenda on the thread without any evidence to back it up?

 

[My_HarrisTweed_Cap]

While I agree about clergy having to obey the law, I can understand (though don't necessarily accept) the reluctance of some communities to hand over perps to civil authorities when they believe they have capabilities to handle it in their own community.
And there's enough evidence that civil authorities don't handle things particularly sympathetically at times!

I can't. The Catholic Church and hierarchy have swept this under the carpet for years and tried to hush it up. They have hindered potential Police investigations by moving priests to other areas and never once taken any steps to safeguard potential future victims once these predators have been moved.

The whole sordid affair is chilling and disgusting.

Robbing a child of their innocence to satisfy a depraved sick mind is wrong. Its sick. Such a betrayal of trust yet you believe that the Catholic Church has the capabilities to handle it????

The years of lies, denial and deceit tell a completely different story!

 

[Fish]

I can't. The Catholic Church and hierarchy have swept this under the carpet for years and tried to hush it up. They have hindered potential Police investigations by moving priests to other areas and never once taken any steps to safeguard potential future victims once these predators have been moved.

The whole sordid affair is chilling and disgusting.

Robbing a child of their innocence to satisfy a depraved sick mind is wrong. Its sick. Such a betrayal of trust yet you believe that the Catholic Church has the capabilities to handle it????

The years of lies, denial and deceit tell a completely different story!

For once I agree with your sentiments, however, what I don't understand is this willingness of people to allow or have the catholic church, or any church/religious factor, to self govern, they have no legal right to think they can and should be afforded no right to think they can.

The law is the law, nobody or any institution is or should be above it, not even those that make it so.

 

[Bomber69]

For once I agree with your sentiments, however, what I don't understand is this willingness of people to allow or have the catholic church, or any church/religious factor, to self govern, they have no legal right to think they can and should be afforded no right to think they can.

The law is the law, nobody or any institution is or should be above it, not even those that make it so.

Robin your 100% correct and it's about time these people were handed over along with all the other allegations that have been made within the Church. The time is right to come clean and get it all out rather than let it drag on for years as the victims continue to come forward. The church of no shame.....................

 

[thehunter]

Personally I find the whole thing disturbing and rather sick, we need to look at the top of the tree as I fear this whole thing stems from the top and that's is why the last Pope retired. I find it hard to understand why people continue to protect these sick individuals and strange that the catholic people have not stood against the church and asked for answers, sorry seems to be the easy word.

You got to question what what is going on and why it has been allowed to happen, I really feel for the victims and what they have had to endure all their lives.

 

[Foxholer]

While I agree about clergy having to obey the law, I can understand (though don't necessarily accept) the reluctance of some communities to hand over perps to civil authorities when they believe they have capabilities to handle it in their own community.
And there's enough evidence that civil authorities don't handle things particularly sympathetically at times!

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yet you believe that the Catholic Church has the capabilities to handle it????
....

Since when did I state I believed this?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Friendly, a bit over-friendly, inappropriate

The problems for such as a church will arise when behaviour might appear 'a bit over-friendly'. In this area we are into subjective interpretation of incidents that when looked at out of context can be worrying- in context they can be OK.

However if you raise such incidents with the police or other authorities we all know that the most negative 'take' on the incident will be the starting point - in many ways understandably to protect any 'victim', but of course this starting point is disasterous for the 'accused'. And do we not know this from false accusations of rape, false accusations by pupils of assault etc. It seems to me that if an incident is truly in the grey area then the appropriate observations and warnings on how behaviour could be interpreted should be given. Difficult. Easy if you don't like the church.

Where incident clearly breaks the law then absolutely report.

 

[DappaDonDave]

Surely anyone who believes in a greater being needs to be treated with some caution.

If I started talking to an imaginary spider, telling people about the spider as it I'd known it all my life and knew all of its thoughts on everything, you'd treat me like a bit of a fruit loop?

In all honesty, what is the difference?
Anyone who has 'seen Christ' or had a near death religious experience is only doing so because there brain subconsciously believes that is what is suppose to happen. I'd bet my hat on it someone raised without religious input who almost died would not say 'I saw a white man (from the Middle East?) with long her, he said he was gods son and it wasn't my time'

As you can tell, I'm a great disliker of religion. Atheist and Darwinist through and through.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Surely anyone who believes in a greater being needs to be treated with some caution

What sort of caution? That the individual is likely to be a complete fruitcake? Have you ever spoken with anyone working a 12-step addiction recovery program?

It is so easy to dismiss religion on the basis that it is 'clearly' illogical to believe in a greater being/higher power/god. It is less easy to do so when that greater being seems to work for you.

 

[DappaDonDave]

What sort of caution? That the individual is likely to be a complete fruitcake? Have you ever spoken with anyone working a 12-step addiction recovery program?

It is so easy to dismiss religion on the basis that it is 'clearly' illogical to believe in a greater being/higher power/god. It is less easy to do so when that greater being seems to work for you.

I appreciate that something like religion can be used to focus the mind, but there are alternatives.

Giving religion that sort of power in a very sensitive individuals life is not a good idea.

 

[Sweep]

Surely anyone who believes in a greater being needs to be treated with some caution.

If I started talking to an imaginary spider, telling people about the spider as it I'd known it all my life and knew all of its thoughts on everything, you'd treat me like a bit of a fruit loop?

In all honesty, what is the difference?
Anyone who has 'seen Christ' or had a near death religious experience is only doing so because there brain subconsciously believes that is what is suppose to happen. I'd bet my hat on it someone raised without religious input who almost died would not say 'I saw a white man (from the Middle East?) with long her, he said he was gods son and it wasn't my time'

As you can tell, I'm a great disliker of religion. Atheist and Darwinist through and through.

A wind up, surely?
Surely anyone who writes such nonsense should be treated with a lot of caution.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A wind up, surely?
Surely anyone who writes such nonsense should be treated with a lot of caution.

^^^:thup:

 

[My_HarrisTweed_Cap]

A wind up, surely?
Surely anyone who writes such nonsense should be treated with a lot of caution.

Lets flip the coin then. Would it be so easy to ridicule and dismiss if I were to question Moses and the parting of the Red sea to safeguard the escape of the Israelites as coming from someone who writes such nonsense?

Everyone is entitled to beliefs and opinions.

 

[Sweep]

Lets flip the coin then. Would it be so easy to ridicule and dismiss if I were to question Moses and the parting of the Red sea to safeguard the escape of the Israelites as coming from someone who writes such nonsense?

Everyone is entitled to beliefs and opinions.

Absolutely. Do you treat billions of people across the planet with caution because of their belief, in this case in a higher being? What are we saying here? That child abuse happened in the catholic church because it is a religious organisation, full of a billion + people who should be treated with caution?

 

[Foxholer]

Absolutely. Do you treat billions of people across the planet with caution because of their belief, in this case in a higher being? What are we saying here? That child abuse happened in the catholic church because it is a religious organisation, full of a billion + people who should be treated with caution?

Er. Apparently, not just the Catholic Church! But all of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. In fact, every religion that has the concept of a Deity.