3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
At a guess I would say SAOL and to have a nett 73, in old money, round there is extremely acceptableThe course was fairly tough to be fair (open qualifying links course)
At a guess I would say SAOL and to have a nett 73, in old money, round there is extremely acceptableThe course was fairly tough to be fair (open qualifying links course)
Tour pros?
At a guess I would say SAOL and to have a nett 73, in old money, round there is extremely acceptable
Playing off 17 was down to 15 some at some point last year, but steady 17 at the moment.
It doesn’t matter how well you play, there will always be that feeling of it could have been better… I shot my lowest ever round a couple of weeks ago, sublime front 9 and then imploded on the back 9. Could easily have been another 2 shots better, probably 4.You're right and put like that yeah it seems a decent round, just could have been so much better, but as many have said, it's winter so maybe not read too much into it.
Thanks for all the replies
Strategy off the tee? Hit it as far as I can!!!
And there lies a potential problem.
Hit it as far as you can, always going for the longest club, when effectively this could/will be leaving you, by your own admission, a yardage you’re struggling with, so, you are not exercising any course management or ‘playing within yourself ‘!
I teach my students to leave a yardage that they’re comfortable with, so, instead of hitting everything as far as you can, leaving you chips you have no confidence with, divide that yardage up from the tee and lay up to a distance you can take a couple of full clubs into the green.
Does that get you more GiR, no, but you’re putting for par and will bogey at worse, and with a handful of single putts, your handicap will lower whilst you gain more confidence with your short game.
With respect, you’re 17 for a reason, and taking on greens over 180+ yards will possibly lead to more doubles or trebles than pars or bogeys, and undo any good work in the round.
If you’re struggling at -80 yards in, remove it from the equation.
Just my opinion of course.
If a player is struggling from 80 yards. How does being further away help?
Given the variance in distance most amateurs produce. How can they be expected to leave a specific distance to the green?
Being shorter off the tee will not help.
I did state, leave a distance they’re comfortable with, which will obviously be greater than 80 yards.
I find everyone has a favorite club, so rather than take the driver off every tee with varying distances, take a 3w or 5w then take 2 irons they have full confidence with until or whilst they work on their short game inside 80 yards.
If by his own admission he always hits it as far as he can, and leaves himself yardages he has no confidence with, no doubt because he’s going for greens he can’t comfortably reach with any degree of accuracy, thus leaving himself yardages or chips he also doesn’t execute well, then he needs to change his mindset imo.
But there is absolutely no way of guaranteeing a player will leave their favourite distance. All they are doing is making sure they are further from the hole, thus increasing their chances of a higher score.
From 100 yards in the fairway a tour pro will take on average 2.85 shots to hole out. If a 17 HC has taken 2 shots to get to 100 yards they are going to make double more than par.
Hitting 3 wood or 2 iron (really for a 17 cap?) isn’t going to make them more accurate off the tee. Stats say only 1% more I think it was with a 3 wood.
If they have decent length, then accuracy off the tee should be the top 2 things they are working on. If they are not long then distance and accuracy off the tee are the top 2. Assuming they actually want to improve their scoring.
I agree with you. I'm a mid-high HI golfer with a long home course. If I know I'm highly unlikely to make the green in 2, why use the club that's most likely to get me in trouble off the tee? If my strategy is already to use my 3rd shot to reach the green, why not make sure that I leave myself the distance I'm most confident chipping or pitching from?2 x irons, not a 2i.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but my students handicaps reduce considerably whilst adopting a process of not reaching for the longest club in the bag at every opportunity leaving themselves constantly in a position they then have no confidence in executing.
At 17+ handicap, I find they are more accurate off the tee percentage wise with a 3 or 5w, sometimes even a hybrid, then 2 x irons into the green which they have confidence with, all the time they are working on the practice area inside 80 yards.
When their short game & confidence improves, we adopt that into their round by being either longer off the tee by introducing the driver more or taking a longer more positive 2nd shot into the green, knowing that if it misses, they have more confidence around the greens.
He states that he is hitting his drives reasonably well but is not hitting the greens in regulation or getting up and down.I have to confess I fail to see the logic in laying back even further for him. Sounds to me that lessons on irons and short game are more appropriate and if strategy is a problem I don't realy see from his post how hitting it shorter off the Tee remedies it. But I confess to being a similar handicap rather than a coach or pro.2 x irons, not a 2i.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but my students handicaps reduce considerably whilst adopting a process of not reaching for the longest club in the bag at every opportunity leaving themselves constantly in a position they then have no confidence in executing.
At 17+ handicap, I find they are more accurate off the tee percentage wise with a 3 or 5w, sometimes even a hybrid, then 2 x irons into the green which they have confidence with, all the time they are working on the practice area inside 80 yards.
When their short game & confidence improves, we adopt that into their round by being either longer off the tee by introducing the driver more or taking a longer more positive 2nd shot into the green, knowing that if it misses, they have more confidence around the greens.
2 x irons, not a 2i.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but my students handicaps reduce considerably whilst adopting a process of not reaching for the longest club in the bag at every opportunity leaving themselves constantly in a position they then have no confidence in executing.
At 17+ handicap, I find they are more accurate off the tee percentage wise with a 3 or 5w, sometimes even a hybrid, then 2 x irons into the green which they have confidence with, all the time they are working on the practice area inside 80 yards.
When their short game & confidence improves, we adopt that into their round by being either longer off the tee by introducing the driver more or taking a longer more positive 2nd shot into the green, knowing that if it misses, they have more confidence around the greens.
When I say 'hit it as far as I can' that isn't massive, I'm nota particularly long hitter, and to be honest I'm comfortable with the driver at the moment, I am keeping it in play off the tee. If I drive it 230 on a 420 yd par 4, I am being advised to hit 2 x pitching wedges to the green? I know what you are saying but obviously I will hit my hybrid and maybe miss the green/short and have a chip/pitch on to the green which is where I am falling short. Together with the 80 yards in pitch.
Just have a short game lesson and you will quickly learn how easy these shots are.
Hitting 2x pitching wedges from 200 yards is just crazy in my opinion and the fastest way to limit your potential.
According to my stats on howdidoody, over my handicap qualifying scores, my GIR is 47.8%. I have an HI of 3.0.
I draw no conclusions and won't let these stats affect the way I play.