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Can men's pro golf reconcile & what might it look like?

Arthur Wedge said:
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'If We Want To Figure Out Why The Game Of Golf Is Not Back Together, Go Ask Those Guys' - Scottie Scheffler Insists LIV Golfers To Blame For Golf's Big Divide

Scottie Scheffler reiterated his stance that LIV golfers were to blame for the continued split in men's pro golf, while insisting the PGA Tour still had a better standard
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Scheffler not messing around
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Context and tone are important, and that certainly isn't being conveyed in lots of reporting and comments.
But some of these insular PGA Tour players really should think a bit more deeply... only one tour is banning otherwise eligible members of their tour from competing. If they stopped doing that, they would undoubtedly get to play together at least a couple of times more often.
Blah, blah, blah. Yawn.
 
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Arthur Wedge said:
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'If We Want To Figure Out Why The Game Of Golf Is Not Back Together, Go Ask Those Guys' - Scottie Scheffler Insists LIV Golfers To Blame For Golf's Big Divide

Scottie Scheffler reiterated his stance that LIV golfers were to blame for the continued split in men's pro golf, while insisting the PGA Tour still had a better standard
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Wasn't this what he said last year....

Funnily enough - it's almost word for word - so maybe somebody from the corrupt golf media has got the big brown spoon out yet again, and all the gullible people that believe everything they say, have fallen for it yet again

"If the fans are upset, then look at the guys that left," Scheffler said.

Article dated 12th March '24.

www.abc.net.au

World number one Scheffler takes swipe at LIV Golf players as merger talks continue

Scottie Scheffler says golf fans should direct their frustration at the players who joined LIV Golf if they feel disillusioned with the rivalry between the tours.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
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Mel Smooth said:
Wasn't this what he said last year....

Funnily enough - it's almost word for word - so maybe somebody from the corrupt golf media has got the big brown spoon out yet again, and all the gullible people that believe everything they say, have fallen for it yet again

"If the fans are upset, then look at the guys that left," Scheffler said.

Article dated 12th March '24.

www.abc.net.au

World number one Scheffler takes swipe at LIV Golf players as merger talks continue

Scottie Scheffler says golf fans should direct their frustration at the players who joined LIV Golf if they feel disillusioned with the rivalry between the tours.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Didn’t realise that golf media can be corrupt 😂
 
Golf journalist propagating hate - I say 'journalist', but Lynch is nothing like, just a gobshite with a platform....

It's funny, a few weeks ago Brandel was saying what a good guy Yasir was after he'd played golf with him, and the stars looked like they were aligning - then Yasir rejected the deal the PGAT were proposing and it looks like the directive from Ponte Vedra to the PGAT's bought and paid for media was to resume the LIV attacks. I really do hope people are taking note of what is going on.

Eamon Lynch | Golfweek
9 hours ago
As Air Force One flies, it’s about 500 miles from Seaside, Florida, to Trump National Doral, where LIV Golf is about to make the first North American stop of its fourth squanderous season. Seaside was the filming location for Peter Weir’s 1998 dystopian comedy The Truman Show, in which Jim Carrey played a young man enjoying an idyllic existence that, unbeknownst to him, was wholly contrived for a television show by unscrupulous profiteers.

Next week at Doral, Yasir Al-Rumayyan will play Truman. The head of Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund has torched more than $5 billion on the LIV fiasco but his fee-taking barnacles will be keen to mount an elaborate charade and convince him that progress is real, that a corner has been turned, that the cash spigot must remain on.

He’ll see a crowd, but not that it’s comprised of MAGA faithful, preening crypto bros, graduates of crisis actor casting calls and bored golf fans offered steeply discounted tickets. He’ll see sponsors paraded, but not that they’re signatories to derisory deals that no serious league would waste postage on an email press release to announce. He’ll see a new broadcasting partner in Fox Sports, but not that it’s more an advertising play than a rights deal, or that Fox currently pays $50 million a year to not broadcast golf, having exited its USGA agreement five years ago. He’ll see (male-only) influencers in a facsimile of the PGA Tour’s Creator Classic, but not that he’s already oversubscribed with unserious competitors. He’ll see the President of the United States glad-handing, pocketing a check and basking among his people, but not that Donald Trump has repeatedly ridiculed LIV in private conversations.


If recent history is a guide, Al-Rumayyan will embrace the pantomime. “We accept the reality of the world with which we're presented,” said Ed Harris as Christof, the omnipotent producer of Truman’s daily life. “It's as simple as that.”

LIV’s Miami tournament, on the eve of the Masters, was its third North American event last year. In ’25 it’s the first, after stops in Riyadh, Adelaide, Hong Kong and Singapore. Most of this season’s ratings would be exceeded by a YouTube stream of Jay Monahan modeling his wardrobe of plaid sport coats that call to mind Rodney Dangerfield. Singapore (34,000) and Riyadh (12,000) attracted numbers that would be woeful even if each eyeball was counted separately. But with a good time slot against a thin field at the Valero Texas Open, better promotion and a bigger network — The CW was the beneficiary of last year’s giveaway — LIV’s Miami event will show a sizable uptick in viewership.


And from that single thread, a blanket will be woven to pull over the boss’s eyes.

Those who live in Al-Rumayyan’s pocket book are laying the table to show him a win, and will be joined by the pitiable ranks of unpaid, online slurps for whom LIV bootlicking is their only shot at relevance. Al-Rumayyan might be about desperate enough to believe them. After all, if you’ve wasted billions from the purse of a mercurial dictator, you’re probably eager to embrace any narrative that suggests traction with fans and partners, any glimmer of hope on the horizon could have you shouting ‘Yalla habibi!’ Especially if you’ve apparently decided to speed past the undeserved off-ramp built for you by the PGA Tour.

No matter how convincingly the sycophants strut, Doral’s agitprop pageant won’t change LIV’s trajectory. There’s no sustainable audience interest, no meaningful commercial revenue stream, no prospect of recovering a dime of the billions spent. There’s nothing except takers, the executives, players, agents and hangers-on who want to keep their Truman in his make-believe bubble for as long as they can. So abject failure will be recast as nascent success, private mockery as public praise, imitation as originality, down as up. It’s the Hindenburg cloaked as a space rocket. Someone really ought to remind Al-Rumayyan of that old cliché about the truth being quiet, and how it's the lies that are always loud.

9 hours ago
 
Mel Smooth said:
If this were true, with solid funding, what would the future of the DPWT look like?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927575559250366551
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If it was true - as with anything will depend on the details

What happens with LIV , are they just going to have those players jump in and out of DP events for ranking points etc or do they merge LIV events in

The ET is the one truely global tour and has lots of co sanctions events

There could be issues with events like the Scottish Open as it’s co sanctioned with the PGAT - also not sure how it works with DP having links with the PGAT

This is potentially what PIF should have done in the first place

Fund the ET events with big prize money and attach the top golfers that way

Elevate all home Opens and get the best playing in them
 
Arthur Wedge said:
If it was true - as with anything will depend on the details

What happens with LIV , are they just going to have those players jump in and out of DP events for ranking points etc or do they merge LIV events in

The ET is the one truely global tour and has lots of co sanctions events

There could be issues with events like the Scottish Open as it’s co sanctioned with the PGAT - also not sure how it works with DP having links with the PGAT

This is potentially what PIF should have done in the first place

Fund the ET events with big prize money and attach the top golfers that way

Elevate all home Opens and get the best playing in them
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I would be veey surprised if a member organsiation such as the DP world tour would sell out to anyone, and I wouild be disappointed if they did as it could well lead to any such organsiation not continuing to finance the supporting tours at some point in the furture. I can though see a very large cash injection from PiV.
 
The DP World Tour is a not for profit organisation so there is little point in any organisation attempting to buy it.

It does, however, have an attractive asset in European Tour Productions.

As a result of the strategic alliance between the two tours the PGA Tour of America has a 40% stake in that asset which would appear to complicate any "takeover" .
 
doublebogey7 said:
I would be veey surprised if a member organsiation such as the DP world tour would sell out to anyone, and I wouild be disappointed if they did as it could well lead to any such organsiation not continuing to finance the supporting tours at some point in the furture. I can though see a very large cash injection from PiV.
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Some might argue that they (the PGA European Tour) already sold out to Dubai Ports and the PGA Tour.
 
BubbaP said:
This may not be relevant to the thread, but it seemed as good a place to post as any..

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Jay Monahan Could Leave PGA Tour Role ‘As Soon As The End Of This Year’ - Report

Jay Monahan's days as PGA Tour commissioner could be numbered, according to a report
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Lee Westwood was on Talksport earlier - he didn’t seem reight convinced a deal was happening anytime soon, nor a need for one.

I think as LIV builds it’s fanbase, the deal becomes less essential for both parties.

O’Neill seems to have been a good appointment for LIV, with some of the hostilities fading away, lets hope Rollap has a similar influence.
 
Mel Smooth said:
Lee Westwood was on Talksport earlier - he didn’t seem reight convinced a deal was happening anytime soon, nor a need for one.

I think as LIV builds it’s fanbase, the deal becomes less essential for both parties.

O’Neill seems to have been a good appointment for LIV, with some of the hostilities fading away, lets hope Rollap has a similar influence.
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Yeah.

Although he also said golf takes too long, and that things need to be done, as many don't have time to take time away from families to do that. He then claimed that was a USP of LIV, as most rounds are done in four and a half hours.

He seemed out of touch with reality. If I play a round over four hours, it is a very very slow day
 
Mel Smooth said:
Lee Westwood was on Talksport earlier - he didn’t seem reight convinced a deal was happening anytime soon, nor a need for one.

I think as LIV builds it’s fanbase, the deal becomes less essential for both parties.

O’Neill seems to have been a good appointment for LIV, with some of the hostilities fading away, lets hope Rollap has a similar influence.
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I don’t expect there will be any sort of deal coming up

LIV will prob reach a cross roads soon with players contracts coming to an end and what happens then and which players stay or go

I suspect the period of big contracts will end to try and push the league to be more sustainable
 
Swango1980 said:
Yeah.

Although he also said golf takes too long, and that things need to be done, as many don't have time to take time away from families to do that. He then claimed that was a USP of LIV, as most rounds are done in four and a half hours.

He seemed out of touch with reality. If I play a round over four hours, it is a very very slow day
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The shorter format is a USP of LIV though. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed LIV Saturday at JCB more than the Friday at The Open up at Troon.

LIV is a day out, you can travel to the course, watch the full event, and get home in the same day - you simply can't do that at a conventional 4 day golf tourney.

It's also much easier to take in the majority of the broadcast for the same reason.
 
Mel Smooth said:
The shorter format is a USP of LIV though. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed LIV Saturday at JCB more than the Friday at The Open up at Troon.

LIV is a day out, you can travel to the course, watch the full event, and get home in the same day - you simply can't do that at a conventional 4 day golf tourney.[:b]

It's also much easier to take in the majority of the broadcast for the same reason.
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You aren’t watching the full event - you are watching 1 day out of 3

You can also travel to any tour event , watch as much golf as you want then come home 🤷‍♂️

It’s also a day out regardless of the tour and getting home the same day will be dependent on location

I have managed to go to Woburn watch a whole days golf and then be home in the same day

We also did it for The Open at RSG
 
Mel Smooth said:
The shorter format is a USP of LIV though. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed LIV Saturday at JCB more than the Friday at The Open up at Troon.

LIV is a day out, you can travel to the course, watch the full event, and get home in the same day - you simply can't do that at a conventional 4 day golf tourney.

It's also much easier to take in the majority of the broadcast for the same reason.
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Were you not aware LIV events are actually 3 rounds of golf?
 
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