Can men's pro golf reconcile & what might it look like?

What kinda timescale do you reckon? 4/5 years or more like 15/20 years ?

I’d think we’re seeing the numbers tailing off now, but people born after the turn of the millennium will definitely be averse to watching any kind of media as us older guys are accustomed.
Just asked my apprentice if he watches anything on conventional TV. broadcasts…. “Never, it’s all Netfix…”
 
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I’d think we’re seeing the numbers tailing off now, but people born after the turn of the millennium will definitely be averse to watching any kind of media as us older guys are accustomed.
Just asked my apprentice if he watches anything on conventional TV. broadcasts…. “Never, it’s all Netfix…”
The apprentice is a bit of an outlier. Sport is still the enourmous driver of live television. Football, rugby, tennis, F1, NFL, NBA are still capturing major viewing shares and the biigest set the records for viewership. Golf obviously smaller in global appeal rhan many of those, but within that, TV is still the main medium for the sport itself. A 10 second tictoc of McIroy and a fan is quite a different thing, but in isolation is meaningless. Its only by following the golf itself that snippets have relevance. Netflix and the likes of Full Swing or Drive to Survive. They are intermittant behind the scenes or addenda to the real thing.
 
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I’d think we’re seeing the numbers tailing off now, but people born after the turn of the millennium will definitely be averse to watching any kind of media as us older guys are accustomed.
Just asked my apprentice if he watches anything on conventional TV. broadcasts…. “Never, it’s all Netfix…”

I think viewing content in general is being consumed differently with respect to 'how we watch it' but Golf doesn’t really lend itself to viewing via handheld devices (although I’m sure we’ve all done it when forced to) so I think we’ll still be watching golf and other sport on a "conventional TV" for quite a long time to come

Whether the feed comes to that TV screen via digital terrestrial, satellite, cable or internet, the viewing is still going to be done on a TV just as we’ve been doing for the last few generations
 
I think viewing content in general is being consumed differently with respect to 'how we watch it' but Golf doesn’t really lend itself to viewing via handheld devices (although I’m sure we’ve all done it when forced to) so I think we’ll still be watching golf and other sport on a "conventional TV" for quite a long time to come

Whether the feed comes to that TV screen via digital terrestrial, satellite, cable or internet, the viewing is still going to be done on a TV just as we’ve been doing for the last few generations

Yeah, 100%

But in the case of LIV last weekend when I had the choice of watching on ITVX, or the LIV app, I chose the latter, and would have if the ITV broadcast had been on ITV1 or ITV4

The younger generations are growing up with that as their default choice, if you watch on an app, you can take the viewing experience with you wherever you go.
 
Yeah, 100%

But in the case of LIV last weekend when I had the choice of watching on ITVX, or the LIV app, I chose the latter, and would have if the ITV broadcast had been on ITV1 or ITV4

The younger generations are growing up with that as their default choice, if you watch on an app, you can take the viewing experience with you wherever you go.

You watched the liv app via your handheld over watching on your TV ?
 
No I watched it on the app, on the TV, then when nature called I continued to watch on my phone.

Ok I’m in danger of taking this too OT cos I have an interest in it but you’re saying that choosing to buy the picture delivered to you via the internet is non-conventional (trendy/innovative) despite sitting on the same sofa watching the same picture on the same tv screen. While that picture if its delivered to you via transmitter, cable or satellite sitting on the same sofa watching the same TV screen is deemed conventional (boring/outdated)

Not sure I see much difference simply due to the delivery method. An Uber is still a taxi isn’t it?


(Oh and just 'urgh' to taking your phone to the bog with you 😄)
 
Ok I’m in danger of taking this too OT cos I have an interest in it but you’re saying that choosing to buy the picture delivered to you via the internet is non-conventional (trendy/innovative) despite sitting on the same sofa watching the same picture on the same tv screen. While that picture if its delivered to you via transmitter, cable or satellite sitting on the same sofa watching the same TV screen is deemed conventional (boring/outdated)

Not sure I see much difference simply due to the delivery method. An Uber is still a taxi isn’t it?


(Oh and just 'urgh' to taking your phone to the bog with you 😄)

I’m saying the app offers the most convenient and flexible means of viewing - which makes it the better option for me..
 
I’d think we’re seeing the numbers tailing off now, but people born after the turn of the millennium will definitely be averse to watching any kind of media as us older guys are accustomed.
Just asked my apprentice if he watches anything on conventional TV. broadcasts…. “Never, it’s all Netfix…”

And where is the biggest viewing of Netflix in the uk ?

Via the sky box or a top box or the main telly

When it comes to live sport streaming has struggled - Amazon Prime within the UK has already lost the Prem rights it had
No I watched it on the app, on the TV, then when nature called I continued to watch on my phone.


😂😂

That’s impressive dedication
 
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And where is the biggest viewing of Netflix in the uk ?

Via the sky box


When it comes to live sport streaming has struggled - Amazon Prime within the UK has already lost the Prem rights it had



😂😂

That’s impressive dedication
How do you even know that?? 😂😂

I’d say it’s more impressive dedication the amount of time you spend googling things just for the sake of debate 😉
 
I think it has.
Believe me, I am no fan of the PGA tour and its one eyed view of its importance and extraordinary complacency and self entitlement. I'd say, on balance, they've been a malignant presence in golf as a global game.
The are an American tour, and no one has come close to touching them since the Euro tour during peak Seve/Langer/Faldo/Olazabal. They have always attracted the biggest sponsors, and the best golfers. Tiger gave them a turbo boost, sure. But they dont oblige the rest of the worlds players to play it. The rest of the world can do anything it wants. The PGAT is fully entitled, not self entitled, to run a US centred tour. It has no global responsibility. If anything, its the Euro, and other tours marginal regions like Aus, SA, Japan, who could have coordinated themselves to be the single rival as an everywhere-but-USA. But they never have. Even LIV keeps it US focused. PGAT is a super success, and with no complacency, unless you expect it to be doing something it never claims to to do.
 
The are an American tour, and no one has come close to touching them since the Euro tour during peak Seve/Langer/Faldo/Olazabal. They have always attracted the biggest sponsors, and the best golfers. Tiger gave them a turbo boost, sure. But they dont oblige the rest of the worlds players to play it. The rest of the world can do anything it wants. The PGAT is fully entitled, not self entitled, to run a US centred tour. It has no global responsibility. If anything, its the Euro, and other tours marginal regions like Aus, SA, Japan, who could have coordinated themselves to be the single rival as an everywhere-but-USA. But they never have. Even LIV keeps it US focused. PGAT is a super success, and with no complacency, unless you expect it to be doing something it never claims to to do.
If it is so great, why do they stop their Player's playing in other non PGAT events ?
 
They dont. Any player is free to leave the PGAT. They dont have LIV style contracts.
Any PGAT player who wants to play in another non PGAT event needs to get a release.....

e.g Jason Day wants to play in OZ he needs a release, European player wants to play his Open, he
needs to get a release.

They tried to stop Greg Norman from playing Aussie Open on more than one occasion.
 
Any PGAT player who wants to play in another non PGAT event needs to get a release.....

e.g Jason Day wants to play in OZ he needs a release, European player wants to play his Open, he
needs to get a release.

They tried to stop Greg Norman from playing Aussie Open on more than one occasion.

And some players used the difficulty in obtaining a release as a convenient excuse for not supporting a tournament that they were never intending to enter.
 
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