chico
Club Champion
My point is more like, "I'll take the pretty club that is 20yds shorter than that ugly beast"
Callaway Elyte driver
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
I agree, just saying the top of it can have some effect if it inspires confidence or not. The sole, as you say, no impact whatsoever.
It must have ended up on the cutting room floor, but his summary text below the video, conceeding others might not agree, does nevertheless state his own view explicitly :
"there is something majorly wrong with the new 2025 Callaway driver for 2025 and I think you may agree with me? or will you?"
VVega
Assistant Pro
It’s as amazing as a SC or Ping or any other putter that fits you and floats your boat.
VVega
Assistant Pro
Multiple studies attribute the “feel” of the golf club to the sound it makes. One of the peculiarities of human perception.Why’s that then?
A forged iron feels different to a cast head so it is possible that the feel off one driver could be different to another.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
...and if you watch the video it is simply that the new triangularish shape might not be to everybody's taste....he says in the video that it might put off existing Callaway buyers but on the other hand it may attract new buyers.
Why would something significantly wrong with the club end up on the cutting room floor? Do you really think that Callaway would allow such a claim of "majorly wrong" to remain in the public domain without it being explained/clarified as to exactly what is meant?
Its a bit like me saying I think my next door neighbour might be a criminal but not saying what I think he has done wrong.
Mark Crossfield checking out the Elyte today, but it cannot beat the 15 year old Ping G10. Sometimes club development just goes backwards.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
So why is he flogging them on his Golfshoponline YouTube channel....?
If they're, or any other new club, that much of a backward step he should bite the bullet and not sell them......
Like that's going to happen.....
If they're, or any other new club, that much of a backward step he should bite the bullet and not sell them......
Like that's going to happen.....
KenL
Tour Rookie
Perhaps it was the wrong shaft and/or loft for him?
Springveldt
Well-known member
He hit the Elyte, AI Smoke and the G10. G10 gave him the fastest ball speed and the longest average carry. He did mention he had to change his delivery for the G10 as it was too spinny at first. Good video overall and one of the reasons I like Crossfield’s stuff, he doesn’t really pander to the manufacturers.
I also think if the average hacker like us tried this the G10 would be shorter as we don’t have the skill to change delivery to get the right spin rate and keep it on the planet.
Not necessarily. The higher spin is more likely to suit more of us regulars without any adjustment.
And, maybe he has had to change his delivery for the last few years to handle the recent drivers. One delivery is not 'right' and another modified. They are simply different.
But yes, confirms the earlier reviews that this years offering from Callaway is offering at best nothing, or, is retrograde. As he says, shocking really.
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nickjdavis
Head Pro
That's a contentious conclusion.
Modern drivers are not about increasing distance gains from well struck shots . They are about increasing distance gains from badly struck shots..
Crossfield appears to be a decent golfer converting a 111mph club head speed into a 164 mph ball speed...a smash factor of 1.47...he probably finds the center of the face more regularly than the average club golfer
Put the G10 in the hands of the average 15+ handicapper who has a variable strike pattern across the face and I reckon the results will be noticeably different.
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If he had to change his delivery for the G10 then the test is worthless.
You can only really test one club against another if everything is, at the very least, similar.....that includes speeds, spin, delivered loft, face to path etc etc
If he had to change delivery for the G10 he needed to use the same mechanics for the others.....
You can only really test one club against another if everything is, at the very least, similar.....that includes speeds, spin, delivered loft, face to path etc etc
If he had to change delivery for the G10 he needed to use the same mechanics for the others.....
The same argument could apply the other way - both driver tested with his G10 swing.
Or, one wouldnt say if you want to compare the 0-60mph of an F1 car and a Fiesta, its only valid if the same tyres are fitted to both.
One could also claim that since no two drivers are likely the best fits for any one golfer, comparative testing is simply impossible.
Its still interesting that Callaways latest, nevertheless, has pretty much ballpark the same performance as a 15 year old model.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
There is no argument
If he hasn't put the same, or very similar, delivery characteristics on both clubs then the test is invalid and any results are tarnished.
Did he deliver the same dynamic loft, were the strike points similar, were the swing speeds similar, club path, face to path, shaft weights and flex similar
It's as simple as that.
And he's still saying " great looks, great heads, great performance" on his selling channel.
If he hasn't put the same, or very similar, delivery characteristics on both clubs then the test is invalid and any results are tarnished.
Did he deliver the same dynamic loft, were the strike points similar, were the swing speeds similar, club path, face to path, shaft weights and flex similar
It's as simple as that.
And he's still saying " great looks, great heads, great performance" on his selling channel.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Agree with you. You can't say they both launch the same, for example, if you change your swing to make one of them launch higher or lower. That's just fudging the data.
Surely to truly compare the clubs, you have to adapt the swing to the club ? Fitting matters. If you just test both clubs with the same swing, then you are just finding, randomly, which of the two is better fitted to you. So it isnt really a comparison of the clubs at all, its just a test of which suits your swing. Crossfield is lucky, in that his skill allows him to optimise it for each club, to see what is the best each club can give, with swing optimised for them, which is the true comparison of the clubs themselves.
It might have been the other way around - if he had tested the G10 first, and then tested the Elyte with that same swing (i.e. not changing it as you propose), then the Elyte's results might have been well inferior to what he got in this video. But that would have been unfair to the Elyte. The way he is doing is the fairest to both clubs.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I haven't watched the video first of all - but surely you need to test all parameters? The G10 isn't adjustable so I'd expect him to get that in a spec that broadly fits him - let's say 9° stiff or x-stiff - and then adjust the modern driver to the most similar spec to that, same loft and as similar a shaft as possible. Then compare the numbers. Fitting isn't about changing your swing to match the club is it? It's the other way around.
As a side point I don't think a professional comparing clubs has much relevance to the average golf viewer anyway - as said above by others, you get a standard mid-handicap golfer to test them and you'll probably see the average distance on the G10 move a fair bit lower due to off-centre strikes not carrying. And that test would be far more relatable to us.
All he's proved is that if you're good enough to change your swing to match what works with that club and hit them out of the middle every time with the perfect launch optimised - then there's no difference between clubs. Well no *** Sherlock - most of us can't do that anyway.
Surely it is only those with the skill to modify their swings that can properly compare drivers ?
The most of us have both inconsistent swings, and are unable to modify them in any consistent way. So while we might swing different clubs, we are not at all testing the clubs themselves, but only how well they suit our particular swing (with all our well engrained flaws). Thats why we have to get fitted - to find the club and setup that best suits what we do with it.
By the same token when the club is being changed in these types of comparisons, it is not only unreasonable, but scientifically incorrect to then insist it must be used with the same swing. To expect all clubs to match any one given swing makes no sense. So adapting the swing to get the best out of a given club - which the likes of Crossfield has the skill to do - is the fairest and best test.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
I actually agree with both of you - reviews in total are pretty pointless for the average golfer (whatever that is). Too low a handicap and they are too consistent for the results to be useful to us, too high and they are too inconsistent to get a good spread of results.
Much better to try them yourself and see what suits.
