Brexit Two Months On

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

"I don't think so" means you're guessing.

"I don't know if their car industry is part of it" means you're guessing again.

VAG = Volkswagen Audi Group is one of the companies that is lobbying its government. And that's not guessing.

Will the EU impose tariffs? I don't know and neither do you.

Will we have to pay an "access fee" to trade? I don't know, but the USA doesn't... Will we, won't we? I don't know and neither do you... that's what the negotiations will decide.

We know what might happen, and we hear plenty of doom and gloom from the Remain camp(still).

Why is the pound falling as far as it is? Someone is selling short. Is it currency speculators or is it the EU teaching the UK a lesson

You are correct - we don't know very much at the moment.

Though a lot of Brexiteer talk is of how it'll all be fine because the Germans won't want to hurt their own business. Or how we will be able to agree excellent trade deals quite easy because other countries will be desperate to keep trading with us - in fact some say the others should be paying us as our market is so attractive. OI hope that they are right.

Nobody knows anything about what we want at the moment, and Maid May and her Merrie Band of Brexiteers are unwilling to tell us anything - other than Breakfast means Breakfast and it looks like they prefer the Full English.

 

[jp5]

We know what might happen, and we hear plenty of doom and gloom from the Remain camp(still).

It's not doom and gloom - it's holding to account. If the Leave side are so sure of their stance they shouldn't have any issue debating it.

Why is the pound falling as far as it is? Someone is selling short. Is it currency speculators or is it the EU teaching the UK a lesson

That's a new one - the EU pushing down the value of the pound.

Having dropped 28% vs the USD since the referendum, I wonder when we'll start to feel it in terms of supermarket prices, energy bills, fuel etc.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's not doom and gloom - it's holding to account. If the Leave side are so sure of their stance they shouldn't have any issue debating it.



That's a new one - the EU pushing down the value of the pound.

Having dropped 28% vs the USD since the referendum, I wonder when we'll start to feel it in terms of supermarket prices, energy bills, fuel etc.

It's started already, have you seen the price of French beans.


A wee joke.......... [for the benefit of the Ashleys of this Country]

 

[Foxholer]

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Why is the pound falling as far as it is? Someone is selling short. Is it currency speculators or is it the EU teaching the UK a lesson

It's currency speculators! governments - even the EU - don't have enough cash, compared to 'markets in general' to manipulate markets like you suggest they might be! Still, the lower the GBP goes, the higher the FTSE goes - currently!

Btw. GBP is finally sneaking up (a little) today! And the FTSE is currently slightly down!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's not doom and gloom - it's holding to account. If the Leave side are so sure of their stance they shouldn't have any issue debating it.



That's a new one - the EU pushing down the value of the pound.

Having dropped 28% vs the USD since the referendum, I wonder when we'll start to feel it in terms of supermarket prices, energy bills, fuel etc.

Fuel likely to be up 5p/litre by end of the month due to the value of the pound, just imagine the fuss if a chancellor proposed a measure that would add 5p to each litre of fuel. There would mayhemm, outrage - and if it had been Gordie Broon - gawd help us for the racket the Daily Squeal would have put up

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's not doom and gloom - it's holding to account. If the Leave side are so sure of their stance they shouldn't have any issue debating it.



That's a new one - the EU pushing down the value of the pound.

Having dropped 28% vs the USD since the referendum, I wonder when we'll start to feel it in terms of supermarket prices, energy bills, fuel etc.

+1 on that. Those of us who did not want to Leave cannot just sit back in a grump and huff and act as if Brexit has now got nothing to do with us, because it has - hugely.

And so it is incumbent upon us to question, question, question - to make sure that our government knows that actually we care and want things to work out for all of the UK and not just for those with massive Leave agendas to be pandered to by measures driven by political exigencies and expediency - rather than what is best for us all economically, culturally and socially.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Fuel likely to be up 5p/litre by end of the month due to the value of the pound, just imagine the fuss if a chancellor proposed a measure that would add 5p to each litre of fuel. There would mayhemm, outrage - and if it had been Gordie Broon - gawd help us for the racket the Daily Squeal would have put up

Actually the anticipated rise in fuel prices is as much to do with the global rise in the price of oil as it is the fall in the value of sterling.

Please don't remind us all of "the son of the manse" that was G Brown.

 

[SocketRocket]

You are correct - we don't know very much at the moment.

Though a lot of Brexiteer talk is of how it'll all be fine because the Germans won't want to hurt their own business. Or how we will be able to agree excellent trade deals quite easy because other countries will be desperate to keep trading with us - in fact some say the others should be paying us as our market is so attractive. OI hope that they are right.

Nobody knows anything about what we want at the moment, and Maid May and her Merrie Band of Brexiteers are unwilling to tell us anything - other than Breakfast means Breakfast and it looks like they prefer the Full English.

I wish you would stop using that 'Breakfast means Breakfast' it wasnt really funny the first time now it's bordering on childish!

Of course our Government know what they want from the EU but they wont be coming back to you to ratify it at every stage If they were to negotiate a ceasefire with the russians do you think they should ask the country to ratify the conditions before any meeting, it's crass stupidity to think the detail of international negotiations should be subject to referendum and Westminster approval before the start of talks. I despair at the attitudes of many people these days.

 

[SocketRocket]

So a 10% (let's say) import tariff our government puts on imports from Germany increases the cost of a new VW golf from £18,600 to £20,460. Would that stop you buying one?

I wonder how much the monthly payment for buying one over four years finance would go up. For simplicity I'll assume import tax adds £2000 increment over 50months - that's £40/month. I know it doesn't work this way but maybe add 25% interest over the period so that's £500 interest - and that's £10/month. Makes our import tariff delta equivalent to £50/month. Will that stop you buying a new VW?

And besides - will we all be driving UK built cars as these could be the only ones not having an import tax applied?

The Government have already said they want to be champions of free trade, and tariffs applied would be as a result of other countries applying them to us. no one would win in a tariff war and I suspect the EU would think very hard before getting into a trade conflict.

 

[vkurup]

Fuel likely to be up 5p/litre by end of the month due to the value of the pound, just imagine the fuss if a chancellor proposed a measure that would add 5p to each litre of fuel. There would mayhemm, outrage - and if it had been Gordie Broon - gawd help us for the racket the Daily Squeal would have put up

While I don't know if I change my choice of cars, but it has impact on everyday essentials. Oil has gone up globally and drop in GBP won't help. More interesting and hitting the pocket are things like Marmite, Soap etc. The Tesco v Unilever is interesting..

Tesco in dispute with Unilever over price rises http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37637954

 

[MarkE]

It's NOT a utopian world - it's a world of fairness and compassion around peoples lives when we - the UK - do not need to throw these lives into chaos. There is no imperative or actual need to ask EU citizens legally in the UK to go, they are already here - they are part of us now.

If it's such a great bargaining chip what do you suggest the UK does if (in the very unlikely event) the EU calls our bluff and ask UK citizens resident in the EU to leave, what do you think the UK should do. A bargaining chip isn't worth a zlotty if it can be ignored as having no benefit, drawback or consequence.

A world of fairness and compassion, is it? Not that i've noticed. As for what I think we should do, leave people alone to live their lives and certainly not evict anyone who is already here. But this issue will be discussed in negotiations however unsavoury we may think it to be.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A world of fairness and compassion, is it? Not that i've noticed. As for what I think we should do, leave people alone to live their lives and certainly not evict anyone who is already here. But this issue will be discussed in negotiations however unsavoury we may think it to be.

Not saying that it is - but no need to actively make it one of misery and unfairness for others if we don't have to. I am pleased we agree - we won't be evicting anyone - even if the EU does call our bluff and tells UK nationals to leave (which it won't). So no point at all in UK pretending that it is a valid bargaining chip with the accompanying sword of Damocles hanging over the immigrant community.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so the fun continues after yesterday's debate in which Dave Davies clarified precisely.........

Let's see what NicolaS says today about Breakfast means Breakfast means exit the EU does not mean exit the single market.

 

[ger147]

Meanwhile elsewhere, we still have folks who lost the vote stamping their feet about it, and unfortunately at considerable cost to the tax payer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37639307

 

[vkurup]

Yipee..... We are back into having another Scottish Ref..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37634338

How many Brexiters agree that Scotland should go its way if it wants to? If they dont agree with Scotland wanting its own sovereignty, then why not?

 

[jp5]

Meanwhile elsewhere, we still have folks who lost the vote stamping their feet about it, and unfortunately at considerable cost to the tax payer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37639307

It's an entirely reasonable case.

 

[jp5]

Can't complain about Scotland wanting to go it alone, especially after we told them the only way of remaining in the EU was to stick with the UK!

 

[Hobbit]

Yipee..... We are back into having another Scottish Ref..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37634338

How many Brexiters agree that Scotland should go its way if it wants to? If they dont agree with Scotland wanting its own sovereignty, then why not?

As a Remainer I agree with what the SNP want to do. If they feel the people of Scotland would prefer to leave the UK and be part of the EU, that's their choice. Why should they be forced into something they don't want? Freedom for Yorkshire!!

 

[FairwayDodger]

As a Remainer I agree with what the SNP want to do. If they feel the people of Scotland would prefer to leave the UK and be part of the EU, that's their choice. Why should they be forced into something they don't want? Freedom for Yorkshire!!

We don't though, and they know it so all they are doing is making a bad situation worse to cater for their twisted ideology. They damn near ripped the country apart last time. I lost friends and nearly lost others. Just sickening this nasty party are taking us down the road again.

 

[vkurup]

We don't though, and they know it so all they are doing is making a bad situation worse to cater for their twisted ideology. They damn near ripped the country apart last time. I lost friends and nearly lost others. Just sickening this nasty party are taking us down the road again.

Well most of us that we wanted to Remain, how wrong were we.. I would not be surprised if the Indy Ref wins this time and they lower the voting age to 7 to achieve it. Let them go.. we started this roll, why stop it?
.. Supporting London to join EU