Brexit Two Months On

[Doon frae Troon]

Get another vote? Gosh, can you imagine if they were too and win it... It would be hard to watch as Scotland quickly went bankrupt, not part of the UK or EU, no currency. Yuk, what a hideous mess it would be. Luckily smarter heads in larger number than the OP get to vote. It is lucky that some people know when things are good and how to be constructive. Shame Shame Shame that some are so unintelligent, naive and self destructive and thus could tarnish peoples wider views.

Do you not think though that the SNP support/votes/membership keeps on rising because they are actually 'getting on with it'. They do seem to have the confidence of the country.
If they were making as bad a job as you say surely you would expect their support would be falling. Such a cheap jibe calling 60% of an nation unintelligent. Many of the SNP supporters I know in my wee posh Ayrshire village are business owners, teachers skilled professionals and farmers. Twenty years ago I would imagine many would all have been Tory voters

What do you think the Scottish Tories or Labour parties should do to claw back the massive loss of support they have experienced in recent years ?

 

[chrisd]

Scotland did not vote for Brexit??

They had as much say as everyone else!

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you not think though that the SNP support/votes/membership keeps on rising because they are actually 'getting on with it'. They do seem to have the confidence of the country.
If they were making as bad a job as you say surely you would expect their support would be falling. Such a cheap jibe calling 60% of an nation unintelligent. Many of the SNP supporters I know in my wee posh Ayrshire village are business owners, teachers skilled professionals and farmers. Twenty years ago I would imagine many would all have been Tory voters

What do you think the Scottish Tories or Labour parties should do to claw back the massive loss of support they have experienced in recent years ?

The answer to that is let the SNP run Scotland with no bailouts or subsidies. The SNP would then be losing support by the bucket load. Their policies are a fiscal disaster and you know it.

 

[JamPal]

Scotland did not vote for Brexit??

They had as much say as everyone else!

Quite!

I live in Brighton, we didn't vote for Brexit either. Can we leave the UK too? No, and nor would we want to, even though we despise Westminster as much as the Scots do and for very similar reasons.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You talk about the UK having no plan for Brexit but what plan have the SNP got for independance?

The SNP don't need to have a plan for independence - they should probably have a plan for working towards a successful vote next time one happens. Brexit is happening and when something is happening it's usually handy to have some clearly stated objectives and measures stated against these objectives; a plan for delivering the objectives and for then for measuring when the objectives have been achieved. I'm looking forward to hearing and seeing the plan that May has tasked the Three Brexiteers to put together for post Article 50.

And I as a remainer am not sitting back hoping for bad news and failure or difficulties with the Brexit negotiations. Why would I want that? My pension depends on a successful outcome; my children's futures depend upon a successful outcome. I am not that stupidly bitter to want failure - though it seems that Leave would like to portray me as being so when I simply point out issues and gaps in planning etc. I'm thinking that portraying me as bitter is simply a play that the Brexiter camp use to deflect worries and criticisms we remainers'come up with - as they don;t have answers themselves.

 

[Alex1975]

The answer to that is let the SNP run Scotland with no bailouts or subsidies. The SNP would then be losing support by the bucket load. Their policies are a fiscal disaster and you know it.

^^^

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

The SNP don't need to have a plan for independence

I completely disagree. Not having a plan for Brexit is what is causing confusion at the moment. If you spend years and years petitioning for something, you must have a plan for if you get it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I completely disagree. Not having a plan for Brexit is what is causing confusion at the moment. If you spend years and years petitioning for something, you must have a plan for if you get it.

They don't need to have one at this present moment; it would make sense for them to have a plan for working towards a successful YES vote next time around. When the next referendum comes around they would then need a plan for independence.

The government needs to have a plan for Brexit now or asap because at the moment Brexit is happening in an unplanned way.

 

[SocketRocket]

The government needs to have a plan for Brexit now or asap because at the moment Brexit is happening in an unplanned way.

No it's not!

 

[jp5]

Is it panto season already?

 

[chrisd]

The government needs to have a plan for Brexit now or asap because at the moment Brexit is happening in an unplanned way.

Absolute tosh, it would have been unplanned if the day Mrs May took office she popped round and dropped an article 50 note through the letterbox. I suggest that taking some time is absolutely about planning

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The answer to that is let the SNP run Scotland with no bailouts or subsidies. The SNP would then be losing support by the bucket load. Their policies are a fiscal disaster and you know it.

Like most lazy thinkers you make the mistake that people who wish independence for Scotland only vote for the SNP.

BTW you did not answer my question.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The government needs to have a plan for Brexit now or asap because at the moment Brexit is happening in an unplanned way.

For you to claim that it is happening in an unplanned way I assume that you will be happy to post evidence of your invitations to, and presence at, every Brexit discussion or meeting that the government has been involved in since the referendum result was announced. Just because you don't know what the plan is doesn't mean that there isn't a plan. That's a bit like me saying that there is no such thing as couscous because I don't know what it is, other than something that those yoghurt dwelling, yurt eating, looney lefties seem to enjoy.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Absolute tosh, it would have been unplanned if the day Mrs May took office she popped round and dropped an article 50 note through the letterbox. I suggest that taking some time is absolutely about planning

I am certain that if you say it often enough you will start believing it.

Did you see the faces and body language of Johnstone/Farage etc. on the day Leave won.

One of my old golfing partners had his [golf] balls engraved with 'Osh It'...... says it all.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I am certain that if you say it often enough you will start believing it.

Did you see the faces and body language of Johnstone/Farage etc. on the day Leave won.

One of my old golfing partners had his [golf] balls engraved with 'Osh It'...... says it all.

So, your statement that Brexit is unplanned is based upon your interpretation of the body language of those two, one of whom is not involved in the process.

Really!?

Even by your standards that is pretty incredible.

 

[chrisd]

I am certain that if you say it often enough you will start believing it.

Did you see the faces and body language of Johnstone/Farage etc. on the day Leave won.

One of my old golfing partners had his [golf] balls engraved with 'Osh It'...... says it all.

I did see their faces and yes they were suprised, but no less happy than expected. But then I voted out so why would I have to start believing?

 

[drdel]

I am amazed what some people believe can be published/achieved in 2 months. We aren't discussing going shopping with SWMBO.

Do you really expect a government faced with negotiating terms with EU members and the RoW will make public their requirements/demands? - that would be the most stupid and simplistic way to do a deal I've known!

As for the Scots, their stance is nothing more than opportunistic headline grabbing nonsense since even Ms Sturgeon will know that these deals are not constructed under the glare of TV cameras or reporters. Grow up - please.

 

[User62651]

If the Scottish electorate get brassed off with the SNP continually 'going on' and working towards achieving independence then they will stop voting for them.

Well, it's not that black and white, many people vote for SNP for Holyrood as they're seen as standing up for and doing quite well for Scotland whilst the Tories run the UK. As they're a left wing party and Labour in Scotland have messed up so badly and almost disintegrated so SNP have taken that vote share, but that is not the same as wanting independence. Voting SNP and wanting Scottish independence do not go hand in hand and you can't make assumptions that it does.

 

[SocketRocket]

Like most lazy thinkers you make the mistake that people who wish independence for Scotland only vote for the SNP.

BTW you did not answer my question.

Like most confused thinkers you make no sense.

What question was that then?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Like most confused thinkers you make no sense.

What question was that then?

The one I asked to the post you replied to.

It involves a knowledge of Scottish politics so I will not hold my breath.