Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[USER1999]

Remain is not stasis though. It's not remain and everything will stay the same. It is a very slippery slope. Possibly a very expensive slippery slope that may get even harder to extract from. This idea that all is rosy in the EU is not true. Just ask the Greeks.

 

[clubchamp98]

Remain is not stasis though. It's not remain and everything will stay the same. It is a very slippery slope. Possibly a very expensive slippery slope that may get even harder to extract from. This idea that all is rosy in the EU is not true. Just ask the Greeks.

Yes .
One thing that amuses me is the 39 billion bill, we will still pay that if we stay in .
It’s for our commitments while we were there.
But we won’t make any more if we leave.

 

[drdel]

Sorry but your point is completely pointless

Leavers have been moaning..organising marches or tours across the country with low turn out

However they haven't needed or wanted to do as much because the result was the one they voted for ..

If as a grown up you can sit there and just go we won that's the end of it then you need to open your eyes and grow up a lot.

As the lady in this video rightly pointed out.. democracy is an ever changing situation not black and white.

If remain had won the outcry wouldn't have been as high for the simple reason of remaining was simple and easy. You stay as you are nothing changes. The country voted leave and it's proved nothing but problematic. Not just because remainers tried to stop it before you harp on , but because it's difficult and might even prove to be more trouble than it's worth .. infact so far it's definitely proved that because it's made the country full of hate for no reason at all. Also the main outcry would have been from farage who would always bang the same drum forever regardless as he is a one trick pony.

The fact that Boris has used the entire situation to make his move for pm and to hell with law or rules just do what he wants isn't at all worrying at all is it. Just because you agree with what he claims he is trying to do it's fine but how long before he goes after something you don't agree with. The NHS for example? I've decided to sell it off to my friend Donald .. what's that you don't want it? Tough titties I've decided to do it that's that ...

Yes we voted leave in 2016 and that should be respected . However it's now 2019 and we are no closer to leaving than we were 2 years ago. That shows some serious issues all round.

IMO it might be a good idea for those wishing to cancel Art50 to worry about the future of the EU and the UK's position in it when the world markets and threats change. It would be far more coherent than continually focusing on the wonderful past through rose tinted specs and the current political debacle as a reason the capitulate and hope things in the EU will reform - when we've been trying to encourage that for 20+ years.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

IMO it might be a good idea for those wishing to cancel Art50 to worry about the future of the EU and the UK's position in it when the world markets and threats change. It would be far more coherent than continually focusing on the wonderful past through rose tinted specs and the current political debacle as a reason the capitulate and hope things in the EU will reform - when we've been trying to encourage that for 20+ years.

I must say here finally. Finally somebody posts something that is actually well put and thought provoking. Rather than the normal shouting loud as possible Brexit means Brexit and respect the vote.

Thank you

Not even joking seriously refreshing to read something without an undertone of smugness

 

[SocketRocket]

I must say here finally. Finally somebody posts something that is actually well put and thought provoking. Rather than the normal shouting loud as possible Brexit means Brexit and respect the vote.

Thank you

Not even joking seriously refreshing to read something without an undertone of smugness

Try it.

 

[robinthehood]

I must say here finally. Finally somebody posts something that is actually well put and thought provoking. Rather than the normal shouting loud as possible Brexit means Brexit and respect the vote.

Thank you

Not even joking seriously refreshing to read something without an undertone of smugness

Try it.

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[Deleted member 21784]

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To be fair is it any wonder everyone talks down to each other trying to get one up all the time when the people who run the country do that constantly in the house of parliament

It's just a constant joke to them

More happy with getting roars from their mates than getting work done

 

[SocketRocket]

Sorry but your point is completely pointless

Leavers have been moaning..organising marches or tours across the country with low turn out

However they haven't needed or wanted to do as much because the result was the one they voted for ..

If as a grown up you can sit there and just go we won that's the end of it then you need to open your eyes and grow up a lot.

As the lady in this video rightly pointed out.. democracy is an ever changing situation not black and white.

If remain had won the outcry wouldn't have been as high for the simple reason of remaining was simple and easy. You stay as you are nothing changes. The country voted leave and it's proved nothing but problematic. Not just because remainers tried to stop it before you harp on , but because it's difficult and might even prove to be more trouble than it's worth .. infact so far it's definitely proved that because it's made the country full of hate for no reason at all. Also the main outcry would have been from farage who would always bang the same drum forever regardless as he is a one trick pony.

The fact that Boris has used the entire situation to make his move for pm and to hell with law or rules just do what he wants isn't at all worrying at all is it. Just because you agree with what he claims he is trying to do it's fine but how long before he goes after something you don't agree with. The NHS for example? I've decided to sell it off to my friend Donald .. what's that you don't want it? Tough titties I've decided to do it that's that ...

Yes we voted leave in 2016 and that should be respected . However it's now 2019 and we are no closer to leaving than we were 2 years ago. That shows some serious issues all round.

Sounds like you're trying hard to convince yourself that your twisted logic is rational.

 

[SocketRocket]

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Absolutely, you dont hang around with the twaddle, do you 🤯

 

[ColchesterFC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185843026930950144

Very good point well made

How long that soundbite been practiced , can't be off the cuff

What do we actually know now that we didn't know before the referendum that would justify having another one?

The EU don't want us/our £10 billion a year to leave? Nope we already knew that.

Our politicians (on all sides) are self serving hypocrites that will do anything to get/hold on to power. Nope knew that as well.

The £350 million per week claim on the side of the bus was wrong? Nope, that was also highlighted before the vote.

So what new information do we have now to justify holding another referendum? Other than the fact that leaving is a bit difficult and the HoC has been doing its best to stop us leaving.

 

[Foxholer]

However if you look at the actual issue rather than rant that it should be respected and out means out. This issue has divided a nation. Proved nothing but problematic .. part of the nation feels let down (leave) part feel lied to and most feel fed up with it all.

She is 100% correct that people should vote when they are informed than when they are lied to.

The fact that 2 replies are either silly women or stupid bint .. rather disrespectful and sexist to someone who's quite respectfully made her point without insults or put downs.

We could learn rather a lot from people like this.

I totally agree with everything - except the bold bit!

It's up to 'people' (especially voters!) to become informed and realise when they are being 'lied to'! Many of the Leave 'lies' were identified as such early on and there were 'lies' on both sides! Leave simply conducted a 'better' campaign imo, and, again imo, it was actually much easier to highlight the negatives of EU membership than the positives. I'd suggest that many of those protesting, actually have some pretty obvious (and even trivial!) 'vested interests' in prefering to Remain. I wonder if she has a nanny, who would likely come from one of the 27!

 

[Fade and Die]

I must say here finally. Finally somebody posts something that is actually well put and thought provoking. Rather than the normal shouting loud as possible Brexit means Brexit and respect the vote.

Thank you

Not even joking seriously refreshing to read something without an undertone of smugness

You need to pay more attention then because drdel has been saying the EU is a busted flush for ages.... seriously, not even joking 🙄

 

[Foxholer]

To be fair is it any wonder everyone talks down to each other trying to get one up all the time when the people who run the country do that constantly in the house of parliament

It's just a constant joke to them

More happy with getting roars from their mates than getting work done

I had a tour around the NZ equivalent of HoC (there's only 1 'House' there) by my MP (he didn't know he was when he offered) and he pointed out that the debating chamber was 'purely the Headline (as in a newspaper story) of the work of Parliament'. Most of the work was done in the likes of Steering Committees and other such meetings, perhaps not even in 'the House'!

The 2 future PMs I, separately, shared a house with (purely because of its location - a 5 min walk from my workplace; a 5 min walk from Parliament) said similar.

I'm certain that exactly the same applies in Westminister!

 

[Foxholer]

...For all her self-righteous posturing she’s nothing more than a whining hypocrite.

Whiner, certainly; 'hypocrite' description would need rather more proof!

 

[Blue in Munich]

You need to pay more attention then because drdel has been saying the EU is a busted flush for ages.... seriously, not even joking 🙄

Not only drdel; others have raised the issues around EU finances for a while.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Whiner, certainly; 'hypocrite' description would need rather more proof!

Definition of hypocrite

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Her false appearance of virtue would be saying that we need another vote because we, the people, were lied to and therefore she is standing up for another vote as it's the right thing to do; her real reason for wanting another vote is because she didn't like the result of the first People's Vote, otherwise known as the Referendum., hence her apparent virtue is false.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Definition of hypocrite

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Her false appearance of virtue would be saying that we need another vote because we, the people, were lied to and therefore she is standing up for another vote as it's the right thing to do; her real reason for wanting another vote is because she didn't like the result of the first People's Vote, otherwise known as the Referendum., hence her apparent virtue is false.

Got any actual proof of this or is it just a hypothesis

 

[Foxholer]

Definition of hypocrite

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Her false appearance of virtue would be saying that we need another vote because we, the people, were lied to and therefore she is standing up for another vote as it's the right thing to do; her real reason for wanting another vote is because she didn't like the result of the first People's Vote, otherwise known as the Referendum., hence her apparent virtue is false.

Re the bold bit...That's not hypocricy to me - simply a poor excuse!
Re the bit in Italics...Quite possible/likely, but I'd still need more proof than you've provided. That's because it's the 'putting on a false apperrance'' that defines the apparent 'virtue' as hypocritical, not simply the 'falseness' of it - which is simply 'erroneous'!

 

[harpo_72]

Love it you see someone offer up a view different to your own and assume she has a nanny from one of the 27? Really???
By the way EU citizens have been provisioned for in both deals .. so really not a motivator.
Once again silly, very silly.
Now can you remind me why Boris’ deal is better than May’s and your willingness to accept it? Or is it just apathy and you want it done and dusted like some home DIY project that is keeping you away from the golf course?

 

[SocketRocket]

Love it you see someone offer up a view different to your own and assume she has a nanny from one of the 27? Really???
By the way EU citizens have been provisioned for in both deals .. so really not a motivator.
Once again silly, very silly.
Now can you remind me why Boris’ deal is better than May’s and your willingness to accept it? Or is it just apathy and you want it done and dusted like some home DIY project that is keeping you away from the golf course?

It doesn't lock us into the possibility of a perpetual ball and chain from the EU, but you know this already and want to ignore it.