Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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pauljames87 said:
However if you look at the actual issue rather than rant that it should be respected and out means out. This issue has divided a nation. Proved nothing but problematic .. part of the nation feels let down (leave) part feel lied to and most feel fed up with it all.

She is 100% correct that people should vote when they are informed than when they are lied to.

The fact that 2 replies are either silly women or stupid bint .. rather disrespectful and sexist to someone who's quite respectfully made her point without insults or put downs.

We could learn rather a lot from people like this.
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We could learn to whinge and moan because we dont like the result and will do everything we can’t to get it overturned
 
pauljames87 said:
However if you look at the actual issue rather than rant that it should be respected and out means out. This issue has divided a nation. Proved nothing but problematic .. part of the nation feels let down (leave) part feel lied to and most feel fed up with it all.

She is 100% correct that people should vote when they are informed than when they are lied to.

The fact that 2 replies are either silly women or stupid bint .. rather disrespectful and sexist to someone who's quite respectfully made her point without insults or put downs.

We could learn rather a lot from people like this.
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Does anyone think that she would be objecting to being lied to, as wrong as it is, if Remain had one the day? Of course she bloody wouldn’t.

For all her self-righteous posturing she’s nothing more than a whining hypocrite.
 
harpo_72 said:
Are you scared of a 2nd referendum?
Deal or Remain.. simple
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clubchamp98 said:
Leave has been done Remain came second.
So any ref should be deal or no deal .

If Remain win we will have another three years of leave complaining and going to court.
So is it best of three /five until the EU / parliament gets the answer they want.
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Court for what? If remain won we'd all just move on and get on with our lives and put this whole pointless fiasco behind us.
 
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Foxholer said:
I believe the essence of the deal is still acceptable to the 'broad church' (it's Sunday after all) that is Leave. I don't believe there's anything in the deal that can permanently tie any part of the UK to the EU - at least none that can't be eliminated.
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That may well be the case - but the ludicrous situation we are in now finds some Leave voters claiming BoJo is in secret a Remainer. Oh yes. And that BoJo’s Deal is a BRINO. Too many people lapping up Farage’s rantings about the Deal.
 
murphthemog said:
Just like the Scots have?
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I think we are revisiting independence because of the great opportunities leaving the EU is offering them.

As for 2nd ref .. no deal is not being offered unless you want to dilute the leave vote?
You cannot discount remain because it’s just another form of a deal .. but also you are aren’t being democratic if you don’t offer it ( 🤣🤣🤣🤣)
 
pauljames87 said:
Hello Mr kettle, pot here

Your black

Seriously
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I know you think you have delivered a “devastating” bazinga their, especially as JamesR jumped in with a Pavlovian “like” but I really can’t see your point...Ask yourself, have the leavers been acting like spoilt children that didn’t get their own way? Have leavers been changing laws, going against historic precedence, using every parliamentary trick in the book to change the democratic outcome? Pointlessly marching through London pathetically bleating about how unfair it is? No Paul, that’s your side. The butthurt millennials.
 
harpo_72 said:
I think we are revisiting independence because of the great opportunities leaving the EU is offering them.

As for 2nd ref .. no deal is not being offered unless you want to dilute the leave vote?
You cannot discount remain because it’s just another form of a deal .. but also you are aren’t being democratic if you don’t offer it ( 🤣🤣🤣🤣)
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So Parliament are undemocratic for taking no deal off the table with the Benn act??
 
harpo_72 said:
I think we are revisiting independence because of the great opportunities leaving the EU is offering them.

As for 2nd ref .. no deal is not being offered unless you want to dilute the leave vote?
You cannot discount remain because it’s just another form of a deal .. but also you are aren’t being democratic if you don’t offer it ( 🤣🤣🤣🤣)
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Remain was discounted three years back...
 
I do not see where the Benn act has removed the possibility of No Deal.
If the EU do not permit the extension that Boris has sent a letter "asking for", why cannot the Govt leave without a deal?
 
Fade and Die said:
I know you think you have delivered a “devastating” bazinga their, especially as JamesR jumped in with a Pavlovian “like” but I really can’t see your point...Ask yourself, have the leavers been acting like spoilt children that didn’t get their own way? Have leavers been changing laws, going against historic precedence, using every parliamentary trick in the book to change the democratic outcome? Pointlessly marching through London pathetically bleating about how unfair it is? No Paul, that’s your side. The butthurt millennials.
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Sorry but your point is completely pointless

Leavers have been moaning..organising marches or tours across the country with low turn out

However they haven't needed or wanted to do as much because the result was the one they voted for ..

If as a grown up you can sit there and just go we won that's the end of it then you need to open your eyes and grow up a lot.

As the lady in this video rightly pointed out.. democracy is an ever changing situation not black and white.

If remain had won the outcry wouldn't have been as high for the simple reason of remaining was simple and easy. You stay as you are nothing changes. The country voted leave and it's proved nothing but problematic. Not just because remainers tried to stop it before you harp on , but because it's difficult and might even prove to be more trouble than it's worth .. infact so far it's definitely proved that because it's made the country full of hate for no reason at all. Also the main outcry would have been from farage who would always bang the same drum forever regardless as he is a one trick pony.

The fact that Boris has used the entire situation to make his move for pm and to hell with law or rules just do what he wants isn't at all worrying at all is it. Just because you agree with what he claims he is trying to do it's fine but how long before he goes after something you don't agree with. The NHS for example? I've decided to sell it off to my friend Donald .. what's that you don't want it? Tough titties I've decided to do it that's that ...

Yes we voted leave in 2016 and that should be respected . However it's now 2019 and we are no closer to leaving than we were 2 years ago. That shows some serious issues all round.
 
pauljames87 said:
Sorry but your point is completely pointless

Leavers have been moaning..organising marches or tours across the country with low turn out

However they haven't needed or wanted to do as much because the result was the one they voted for ..

If as a grown up you can sit there and just go we won that's the end of it then you need to open your eyes and grow up a lot.

As the lady in this video rightly pointed out.. democracy is an ever changing situation not black and white.

If remain had won the outcry wouldn't have been as high for the simple reason of remaining was simple and easy. You stay as you are nothing changes. The country voted leave and it's proved nothing but problematic. Not just because remainers tried to stop it before you harp on , but because it's difficult and might even prove to be more trouble than it's worth .. infact so far it's definitely proved that because it's made the country full of hate for no reason at all. Also the main outcry would have been from farage who would always bang the same drum forever regardless as he is a one trick pony.

The fact that Boris has used the entire situation to make his move for pm and to hell with law or rules just do what he wants isn't at all worrying at all is it. Just because you agree with what he claims he is trying to do it's fine but how long before he goes after something you don't agree with. The NHS for example? I've decided to sell it off to my friend Donald .. what's that you don't want it? Tough titties I've decided to do it that's that ...

Yes we voted leave in 2016 and that should be respected . However it's now 2019 and we are no closer to leaving than we were 2 years ago. That shows some serious issues all round.
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So if I understand your post correctly it’s not what you wanted and it’s all a bit difficult and it was a few years ago now so let’s not do it?.... yep that’s about what I expect nowadays from Gen Y.... “it’s too hard and my tech won’t make it easier for me..... let’s not do it” Heaven help us!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
I do not see where the Benn act has removed the possibility of No Deal.
If the EU do not permit the extension that Boris has sent a letter "asking for", why cannot the Govt leave without a deal?
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But the point is it’s not up to us .
It’s up to the EU because the Benn act has hamstrung the government.
They have to do it for us .
I just can’t see them doing that!
 
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