Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[clubchamp98]

What's so funny about this statement?

If they vote against what their leave majority constituents voted for they will be voted out at the next GE.
If they vote for what their constituents voted for the party will throw them out.
But they could stand as independents and say they did what voters told them to.
In that case I would imagine they would beat a socialist labour candidate shoed in to replace them.
MPs have a knack for surviving in their own best interest.

 

[Grant85]

If they vote against what their leave majority constituents voted for they will be voted out at the next GE.
If they vote for what their constituents voted for the party will throw them out.
But they could stand as independents and say they did what voters told them to.
In that case I would imagine they would beat a socialist labour candidate shoed in to replace them.
MPs have a knack for surviving in their own best interest.

In reality, the party politics system in this country has made widespread rebellions like what we have seen in the HoC very rare. Once people are elected and serving, it is not appealing to risk that too much.

It is almost impossible for an ex-Lab or ex-Tory to hold their seat as an independent (assuming they are facing their previous party with a new candidate).

And it is also very likely that they will in fact split their 'traditional' vote - be it Lab or Tory - and let the opposition candidate in.

I think we will still see very few (almost none) of ex-Labour and Tory members winning their seat as an independent (or Change UK member). The smart move was by the people who joined the Lib Dems and have either built a campaign base in their own seat or moved to a more winnable seat (Chuka Umuna and Luciana Berger both having been selected for different seats than those which they won with Labour). Looks like Heidi Allen and Sarah Woolaston standing in the same (Tory seats) with Lib Dems.

I'd imagine all 4 of these saw joining the Lib Dems as only realistic way to continue parliamentary career following leaving their main party. Likely other LD defectors took same decision.

 

[Taz]

Lib Dums

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-is-forced-to-correct-lib-dem-brexit/

 

[woody69]

Lib Dums

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-is-forced-to-correct-lib-dem-brexit/

You must be the happiest person I know as every thing you post seems to have the laughing smiley attached.

It was a bit of a car crash of an interview, but she isn't wrong in the fact that trade going east to west will require checks, which will obviously cause some disruption. Comparing it to the same as no deal was a little silly though

 

[Taz]

Tim Shipman

@ShippersUnbound
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I agree that Macron would ultimately allow an extension but it's significant that he and Varadkar are trying to help Johnson, rather than leave him to get on with it at home

 

[Depreston]

A second referendum without the first result being enacted is anti democratic, no ifs no buts. It is only being called for by those who's vote lost , I guess at my age I shouldnt be surprised at anything in politics but what is happening stinks of the modern 'entitlement' mindset.

If we were to have a second referendum then why not one for Deal or No Deal, I guess remainers wouldn't like that and would roll out these pathetic reasons like 'we know so much more now' or 'the result of the first referendum was based on a lie painted on the side of a bus'. Just imagine if the vote was won by remain by the same percentage and leave MPs had created the same type scenario as we have experienced and asked for a second referendum, what would your honest opinion be for that?

the referendum was advisory it would have been chucked out and defined as null and void if it was legally binding

We have went after it realised it’s a colossal *** show where the MPs in the country can’t make a decent stab of it as it’s clearly a divisive topic in parliament as it is to the public

This whole winner loser mentality is pathetic it’s not a football match

MPs represent each and every constituent, no constituency voted 100% for leave. If the MP believes this deal or no deal isn’t right for their constituents then they have every right to vote down the deal and no deal and they will be removed from office or voted back in based on their decisions by the voting public.

If the vote was a similar result but Remain had a marginal higher percentage than leave I fully believe these “Spartans” and Farage etc would still be hell bent on trying to re run another referendum

 

[Mudball]

the referendum was advisory it would have been chucked out and defined as null and void if it was legally binding

We have went after it realised it’s a colossal *** show where the MPs in the country can’t make a decent stab of it as it’s clearly a divisive topic in parliament as it is to the public

This whole winner loser mentality is pathetic it’s not a football match

MPs represent each and every constituent, no constituency voted 100% for leave. If the MP believes this deal or no deal isn’t right for their constituents then they have every right to vote down the deal and no deal and they will be removed from office or voted back in based on their decisions by the voting public.

If the vote was a similar result but Remain had a marginal higher percentage than leave I fully believe these “Spartans” and Farage etc would still be hell bent on trying to re run another referendum

Well Farage was so confident that it would be Remain that he declared that the Referendum would be void if the ’winner’ should get 2/3 majority (or similar). He then quietly backtracked once he realised that the results had gone the other way.. ahh the irony

 

[chrisd]

the referendum was advisory it would have been chucked out and defined as null and void if it was legally binding

We have went after it realised it’s a colossal *** show where the MPs in the country can’t make a decent stab of it as it’s clearly a divisive topic in parliament as it is to the public

This whole winner loser mentality is pathetic it’s not a football match

MPs represent each and every constituent, no constituency voted 100% for leave. If the MP believes this deal or no deal isn’t right for their constituents then they have every right to vote down the deal and no deal and they will be removed from office or voted back in based on their decisions by the voting public.

If the vote was a similar result but Remain had a marginal higher percentage than leave I fully believe these “Spartans” and Farage etc would still be hell bent on trying to re run another referendum

At no General Election do constituents vote 100% for one party but democracy is enacted, and even if someone were to win by only one vote every constituent would accept the vote - why are the wishes if a 17.4 million people not being treated the same way ?

 

[IanM]

I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier answer(s)

 

[Dando]

At no General Election do constituents vote 100% for one party but democracy is enacted, and even if someone were to win by only one vote every constituent would accept the vote - why are the wishes if a 17.4 million people not being treated the same way ?

because we didn't vote the way they wanted us too

 

[chrisd]

because we didn't vote the way they wanted us too

Trying the old "Eu" strategy - keep em voting till they get it right !

 

[SocketRocket]

Advisory Referendum, Farage said, bla de bla. Keep scraping the barrel guys, the bottoms in sight

 

[Taz]

Looks like the Gauwkward/ Letwin mob have found a way to make tomorrow's vote irrelevant

 

[Taz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185219066954506240

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Linesman Ross there showing he is not as daft as he looks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185116869990088705

 

[harpo_72]

Advisory Referendum, Farage said, bla de bla. Keep scraping the barrel guys, the bottoms in sight

Twaddle ... no points made as per usual. Are you behind Boris’ deal or not ??

 

[harpo_72]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185219066954506240

No deal cannot happen.
This is it guys this deal or extension... 2nd ref ... then remain.
Send Farage to Germany by deleting his uk citizenship, Boris can do I am a celeb and eat cockroaches. Mogg can have his hedge fund redistributed and handed a cardboard box and the EDL can be interned down a Welsh coal mine 🤣

 

[ColchesterFC]

No deal cannot happen.
This is it guys this deal or extension... 2nd ref ... then remain.

Of course no deal could still happen. If the EU refuse an extension then we're out with no deal unless the HoC revokes Article 50.

 

[harpo_72]

Of course no deal could still happen. If the EU refuse an extension then we're out with no deal unless the HoC revokes Article 50.

The HoC has decided no deal not acceptable..

 

[ColchesterFC]

The HoC has decided no deal not acceptable..

It doesn't matter what the HoC has decided. By law we're leaving on 31st October with no deal unless a deal is agreed or an extension is granted. They can have a hundred votes in the HoC rejecting no deal but unless they change the law it remains the default position.