Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

So we accept this deal that still pays £39billion, allows the EU to make our laws ...where is the difference to remain apart from remaining gives us a voice.
Silly silly silly

 

[ColchesterFC]

So we accept this deal that still pays £39billion, allows the EU to make our laws ...where is the difference to remain apart from remaining gives us a voice.
Silly silly silly

Hasn't the £39 billion reduced due to payments during the extension? I thought it was based on leaving on 31st March. Our monthly payments since then would bring it down by about £5 billion.

 

[jp5]

So we accept this deal that still pays £39billion, allows the EU to make our laws ...where is the difference to remain apart from remaining gives us a voice.
Silly silly silly

That was the gist of the Remain argument in 2016 as I recall, but it narrowly lost to more attractive campaigning. Anyway, that ship has sailed.

 

[harpo_72]

So we accept this deal that still pays £39billion, allows the EU to make our laws ...where is the difference to remain apart from remaining gives us a voice.
Silly silly si

That was the gist of the Remain argument in 2016 as I recall, but it narrowly lost to more attractive campaigning. Anyway, that ship has sailed.

yup, and the leavers have had numerous bites at the cherry but it’s not a cherry it’s a turd sandwich and will always be.

 

[jp5]

Who knows, let's give it a decade with this arrangement and see where we are.

Maybe it'll be just what we need, maybe there will be pressure for us to rejoin.

 

[chrisd]

Why do I think Brexit is a bad idea?

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Frankly, after 3 years of reading the crap you post I really dont give a "flying flamingo" what your thoughts on Brexit are.

 

[harpo_72]

Frankly, after 3 years of reading the crap you post I really dont give a "flying flamingo" what your thoughts on Brexit are.

Did you like May’s deal?

 

[chrisd]

Did you like May’s deal?

I'd prefer a no deal Brexit to May's

 

[SocketRocket]

So we accept this deal that still pays £39billion, allows the EU to make our laws ...where is the difference to remain apart from remaining gives us a voice.
Silly silly si

yup, and the leavers have had numerous bites at the cherry but it’s not a cherry it’s a turd sandwich and will always be.

Do you believe it to be acceptable for the UK not pay this money? If so why.
You say that the EU will make our laws, can you elaborate on this, are you suggesting we will not be able to make our own laws?
I guess any deal, or no deal, that takes the UK out of the EU will be a turd sandwich for you but don't knock it, 100 billion flies cant all be wrong.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Frankly, after 3 years of reading the crap you post I really dont give a "flying flamingo" what your thoughts on Brexit are.

So having concerns about the poor, disadvantaged and less able to cope with negative impacts of leaving the EU is a load of crap...

If you say so.

 

[chrisd]

So having concerns about the poor, disadvantaged and less able to cope with negative impacts of leaving the EU is a load of crap...

If you say so.

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No, as usual you twist things, my concerns are your posts - I m fed up with your views and do not accept they accurately state what will happen with Brexit

 

[SocketRocket]

So having concerns about the poor, disadvantaged and less able to cope with negative impacts of leaving the EU is a load of crap...

If you say so.

There may well be positive impacts for these people, or, they may be just as poor and disadvantages as they have been in the EU.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

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No, as usual you twist things, my concerns are your posts - I m fed up with your views and do not accept they accurately state what will happen with Brexit

Of course they don't accurately state what will happen with Brexit - other than what we know will happen. And there are plenty of things that we know we will lose. There is little, if anything, that those who have had us leave can say will happen that will benefit us all in the short term to compensate for what we will lose. Ah yes - if I so choose I can wave my blue passport (but not for another 9 yrs) and celebrate...erm...and take advantage of...erm...and blame Remoaners...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There may well be positive impacts for these people, or, they may be just as poor and disadvantages as they have been in the EU.

I still struggle to find an example of something that might happen to improve the lot of the poorer...increased wages? Happening anyway through the increased Living Wage ...and small business complaining like buggery. Greater job security? Improved working conditions? Cheaper basic foodstuffs?

But if leaving sinks Farage's inflatable dingy then that that's one great thing,

 

[Dando]

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No, as usual you twist things, my concerns are your posts - I m fed up with your views and do not accept they accurately state what will happen with Brexit

But what does your barber think?

 

[harpo_72]

Do you believe it to be acceptable for the UK not pay this money? If so why.
You say that the EU will make our laws, can you elaborate on this, are you suggesting we will not be able to make our own laws?
I guess any deal, or no deal, that takes the UK out of the EU will be a turd sandwich for you but don't knock it, 100 billion flies cant all be wrong.

Seems like you have all changed your minds, TM’s deal was better but you all think Boris has done a blinder.
Is it because he is a man? or is it just desperation to get it done irrespective of the quality?

 

[harpo_72]

There may well be positive impacts for these people, or, they may be just as poor and disadvantages as they have been in the EU.

There will be no benefits because the UK political system doesn’t care.
Where the EU succeeded was it took the money paid in and redistributed it to the poorer areas who would have been neglected because of their political affiliations.

 

[harpo_72]

But it doesn’t matter now, let’s see Saturday’s vote ..

 

[SocketRocket]

I still struggle to find an example of something that might happen to improve the lot of the poorer...increased wages? Happening anyway through the increased Living Wage ...and small business complaining like buggery. Greater job security? Improved working conditions? Cheaper basic foodstuffs?

But if leaving sinks Farage's inflatable dingy then that that's one great thing,

The poor will always be with us, you should know that. Even your EU security blanket has not managed to reduce them or improve their lot, only wealth creation has a chance of distributing it down the line and that comes down to the people who will be prepared to create and expand business, not those who prefer to stifle and over-regulate it. You mention job security, the EU has worked quite hard to entice jobs out of the UK and into other poorer EU member states. They have also used our money to protect inefficient food producers by artificially forcing up food prices by making produce from outside the club less competitive with the use of tarrifs and quotas, a lot of food produce are cheaper from outside the EU.

 

[Fade and Die]

So all the main players who were up in arms about the prospect of a no deal Brexit, so much so they hamstrung the government with the Benn act, have now unanimously said they will vote against this deal!! No pleasing some people!

I’ve no idea what’s in the deal but if Nigel reckons it does not go far enough and Niccola says it goes too far it’s probably pitched about right.