clubchamp98
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Post 14321 sets out my position .
But I agree to a certain extent about the Tory party.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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But I agree to a certain extent about the Tory party.
SocketRocket
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Isn't Bulgaria already a member? I believe the new joiners will be Albania and North Macedonia. Both cases to be net fiscal beneficiaries, mass movement of peoples to richer northern member states due to their low standards of living, potential exporters of organised criminals as their countries have a bad record for it. Hopefully we will be out and they will be a drain on the few net contributors who will need deep pockets.
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The piece I read said Albania as you say. An arid land ravaged by the sort of politics much loved by Corbyn.
Listening to conversation on radio about second Referendum. If Leave won it, apparently the fight to Remain would continue.
Ok. I see
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Doh! Thanks for the correction! Though Bulgaria is not (yet) a member of Schengen (nor are Romania, Croatia and Cyprus) and nor, initially, will Albania and NM. So 'mass movement to richer northern members' will not (be allowed to) happen immediately.
ColchesterFC
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What conditions does a country have to meet to become a member of the Schengen area? And how long does that normally take?
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May bought the DUPs support with a £1billion pay off after losing her majority.
So how much is Boris offering the Hungarians to buy their veto on any article 50 extension? That has to be the reason for such cockyness from Govt, no?
I expect if it's less than £39 billion Boris will try and sell it as a good deal..........saves his neck.
And this is the UK Govt today,.
So how much is Boris offering the Hungarians to buy their veto on any article 50 extension? That has to be the reason for such cockyness from Govt, no?
I expect if it's less than £39 billion Boris will try and sell it as a good deal..........saves his neck.
And this is the UK Govt today,.
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Having started a post re Schengen, I realise that that's not the 'driver' of freedom of movement, simply visa-free entry in participating countries, as UK is not a Schengen member.
There is definitely a transition period for new EU members though that defers FofM. This certainly happened when the EU significantly grew in 2003/4.
As for your question, EU has to approve the country's compliance with EU Articles. How long that takes depends, but it was several (3?) years for those that joined in 2004.
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May bought the DUPs support with a £1billion pay off after losing her majority.
So how much is Boris offering the Hungarians to buy their veto on any article 50 extension? That has to be the reason for such cockyness from Govt, no?
I expect if it's less than £39 billion Boris will try and sell it as a good deal..........saves his neck.
With the caveat that nothing makes sense anymore, and ignoring the irony that to take back control we would be completely reliant on another country, but I think the is a false flag. As Hungary would know that if they go against the wishes of the main players in the EU and EU unity at this highly politically charged time, there will be consequences.
drdel
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I see it is reported that the EU may propose a 14 month extension to 2021!
There is hope of divine interevention as there are also reports that 3 asteroids are heading for earth and total destruction.
There is hope of divine interevention as there are also reports that 3 asteroids are heading for earth and total destruction.
Beezerk
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Jesus H, the mood of the nation is bad enough as it is, imagine how much worse it will get of that's the case
SocketRocket
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How can we take back control while were still in the EU.
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The Turks?
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SocketRocket
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Why?
Doon frae Troon
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...n-quit-over-brexit/ar-AAIlj6W?ocid=spartandhp
Daring the Queen to sack him will not go down with quite a few Tories that I know and I would imagine at least 49% of Tory party members.
Daring the Queen to sack him will not go down with quite a few Tories that I know and I would imagine at least 49% of Tory party members.
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The "Mail" reader now going to MSN for honest news.
Taz
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Peston :
So believe it or not, the 21 Tory MPs expelled from the parliamentary Conservative party, plus Rudd who quit, today refused to support opposition MPs who wanted to put down an SO24 motion that would have allowed MPs to seize control of parliament’s business on any day between...
now and Brexit day on 31 October. Labour and SNP had ordered all their MPs to London to support the motion. But now it won’t be put on the order paper till next Tuesday, if at all. The point of the motion was to give MPs the power to pass whatever legislation they thought they... need to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. But the Tory rebels apparently now buy the Johnson and Cummings argument that MPs flexing their collective muscles to stop a no-deal Brexit is undermining their chances of getting a deal. But as I reported earlier, there is next to... no chance of the EU accepting Johnson’s offer anyway (see https://itv.com/news/2019-10-07/johnson-s-brexit-offer-contains-too-much-uncertainty-writes-robert-peston/…). So Cummings and Johnson will be chortling into their coffees as we speak. And business in the Commons today will be of magnificent unimportance.
So believe it or not, the 21 Tory MPs expelled from the parliamentary Conservative party, plus Rudd who quit, today refused to support opposition MPs who wanted to put down an SO24 motion that would have allowed MPs to seize control of parliament’s business on any day between...
now and Brexit day on 31 October. Labour and SNP had ordered all their MPs to London to support the motion. But now it won’t be put on the order paper till next Tuesday, if at all. The point of the motion was to give MPs the power to pass whatever legislation they thought they... need to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. But the Tory rebels apparently now buy the Johnson and Cummings argument that MPs flexing their collective muscles to stop a no-deal Brexit is undermining their chances of getting a deal. But as I reported earlier, there is next to... no chance of the EU accepting Johnson’s offer anyway (see https://itv.com/news/2019-10-07/johnson-s-brexit-offer-contains-too-much-uncertainty-writes-robert-peston/…). So Cummings and Johnson will be chortling into their coffees as we speak. And business in the Commons today will be of magnificent unimportance.
Taz
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I predict the laywers will be cashing in again on this, appeal after appeal 
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latest Brexit court ruling here - Scottish courts turn down an attempt to force PM to ask for a Brexit extension https://
Laura Kuenssberg
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latest Brexit court ruling here - Scottish courts turn down an attempt to force PM to ask for a Brexit extension https://
like-death-sentence-retired-britons-eu-face-loss-healthcare
Many out here have private healthcare but, equally, there are many who rely on the Spanish Healthcare system. The Spanish Govt created a law, Royal Decree, in March this year that guaranteed no change to healthcare provision providing the UK reciprocated. The UK continue to hold out... whatever the reasons, bargaining chips, behind this it is creating a lot of uncertainty and stress for many older expats.
Before some, as they have before, shout that they left the UK, tough titty. The vast majority will have paid NI all their working lives. At present they are not a burden on the NHS but, if as many say they will have to, they return to the UK the queues at the doc's surgery and in hospitals will increase.
Many out here have private healthcare but, equally, there are many who rely on the Spanish Healthcare system. The Spanish Govt created a law, Royal Decree, in March this year that guaranteed no change to healthcare provision providing the UK reciprocated. The UK continue to hold out... whatever the reasons, bargaining chips, behind this it is creating a lot of uncertainty and stress for many older expats.
Before some, as they have before, shout that they left the UK, tough titty. The vast majority will have paid NI all their working lives. At present they are not a burden on the NHS but, if as many say they will have to, they return to the UK the queues at the doc's surgery and in hospitals will increase.
drdel
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NI is just a tax. It is loosely related to pension rights. It does not build up an NHS entitlement, a right which applies to all residents in the UK: as the NHS budget is met from general taxation.
There are millions of old people paying tax in the UK who could not afford the choice of moving to Spain for a 'better' cheaper life style - I have some sympathy with those at the margin who are caught but not a lot I'm afraid.
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