Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[ColchesterFC]

You mean the 52% of the people who voted to leave, rather than 52% of the people right? So approximately 27% of the population, but actually probably a little less due to the fact the vote was 3 years ago now and a proportion of those people are probably dead.

Which is still a bigger number than the percentage that voted remain.

Swings and roundabouts really. Ardent remain voters often talk about the 48% that didn't vote to leave, that their opinions need to be taken into account and compromise is needed but when talking about leave voters switch to use the percentage of total eligible voters that voted leave.

It seems a bit hypocritical to me. (<---not your post but in general terms)

 

[Foxholer]

At which point did I say tax avoidance isn’t legal?
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At what point did I suggest you did?

 

[woody69]

100% of people eligible to vote could easily have popped down to the polling station and popped their x wherever they wanted, if they chose not to then they have to be ignored, yes, people have died but then others who may have voted to leave have surpassed the voting age. The vote was a simple majority one and that is that!

I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I was just pointing out it's not 52% of the people and it was over 3 years ago.

 

[Beezerk]

I’d be happy with another referendum, only 2 choices though, Deal or No Deal.
There 100% shouldn’t be an option to remain.

100% mate, we finally agree on something 😆

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That’s really splitting hairs isn’t it.
Do you just fancy a pedantic argument.
52% is a ball park figure used by everyone on this subject, it might be 51.999999999999999999999999999% if your not in.

No it’s not pedantic at all, the Leavers like to throw the 48% remark, “you lost get over it” and it’s just as bad for Leavers to believe that all 52% support the current PM’s present course of action.

 

[woody69]

Which is still a bigger number than the percentage that voted remain.

Swings and roundabouts really. Ardent remain voters often talk about the 48% that didn't vote to leave, that their opinions need to be taken into account and compromise is needed but when talking about leave voters switch to use the percentage of total eligible voters that voted leave.

It seems a bit hypocritical to me. (<---not your post but in general terms)

Yep, it was about 2% more than those who voted to remain in terms of the whole population. 25% remain versus 27% leave versus 48% abstain / not eligible.

 

[clubchamp98]

thats funny i didn't get to vote for Boris

Unless the PM is your local M.P. nobody gets to vote for a PM.

 

[clubchamp98]

No it’s not pedantic at all, the Leavers like to throw the 48% remark, “you lost get over it” and it’s just as bad for Leavers to believe that all 52% support the current PM’s present course of action.

Once again I never mentioned that only that the EU could use tactics to force us to stay !
It’s coming down to who has the best poker face , that’s no way to negotiate something like this.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

thats funny i didn't get to vote for Boris

 

[drdel]

The last couple of page proves how agile golfers can be!

Just look how many have been 'dancing on a pinhead' by revisiting the 2016 result

 

[drdel]

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He is asking for a GE !!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The last couple of page proves how agile golfers can be!

Just look how many have been 'dancing on a pinhead' by revisiting the 2016 result

The 2016 result should now be irrelevant, the discussion should be about how we leave and that’s all.

 

[Colonel Bogey]

Just a thought that came up this weekend.....If being in the EU was so fantastic, why have we got food banks?

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes, I am sure some remain voters have died as well, although if you look at the vote breakdown purely on the age groups I think it would be safe to assume you would expect more of the older generation who were more likely to vote leave to have passed away.

And yes, looking at polling data for younger generations is technically a guess, but the results are generally consistent that most of them would not vote to leave.

Ah OK, you are referring to the EU Commission. Have a read of this - http://www.democraticaudit.com/2016/06/23/is-the-eu-really-run-by-unelected-bureaucrats/

I see your point .
But this has took so long nobody really knows the accurate numbers anymore.
Something needs to break on both sides
But all this legal wrangling isn’t doing any good on both sides.

Let’s be honest the MEP s we have there are there to protest nothing more.
That’s how the public here see our MPs.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He is asking for a GE !!

He categorically stated he had no intention of calling for a GE when first elected and his reasons now are totally different, just like every other politician he’s changed his mind to suit himself.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just a thought that came up this weekend.....If being in the EU was so fantastic, why have we got food banks?

Because of UK Government policies, if it’s that bad why have we got more millionaires than we’ve ever had?

 

[chrisd]

No it’s not pedantic at all, the Leavers like to throw the 48% remark, “you lost get over it” and it’s just as bad for Leavers to believe that all 52% support the current PM’s present course of action.

Just as its bad to assume that the 48% support the total lack of democracy being shown

 

[Foxholer]

Wild uneducated guess, if you are answerable to shareholders and you are failing to maximise their benefit then could that be a failure of a duty in company law?

Spot on!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just as its bad to assume that the 48% support the total lack of democracy being shown

What total lack of democracy?

 

[clubchamp98]

No it’s not pedantic at all, the Leavers like to throw the 48% remark, “you lost get over it” and it’s just as bad for Leavers to believe that all 52% support the current PM’s present course of action.

I agree with you .
It’s 52% of people who could be bothered to vote. They will have different views on an exit of course.
And 48% who bothered to vote.
Most of the population can’t be ar%# and in or out it makes no difference to them.
This is shown in every election.
But the exit strategy is a mess and changes with every legal challenge/ amendment tabled.