Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Taz]

Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar voiced what Brexiteers in the UK have been saying for a while. If the UK doesn’t leave the EU on 31st October, it’s unlikely to leave at all.

“If it comes to a request for an extension, I think the vast majority of countries around the table would prefer that there not be an extension. We would like to see this dealt with. If the UK is leaving it should leave on 31st October.”​

 

[Old Skier]

And an extension granted to facilitate a General Election is likely to be considered by the EU as something that might possibly break the deadlock...?

Please explain how, the EU gave us "The Deal" which Parliament rejected, how is the deadlock going to be achieved. In the first thread you amongst others were poo pohing the idea that the EU would change its mind when suggested by leavers. What's changed.

 

[clubchamp98]

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Is anyone here surprised by a politician saying one thing is wrong and then doing it themselves..

 

[Foxholer]

That is not going to go down well with 52% of the people.
Being forced to stay against our will is not on.

But what I expected from an unelected committee.

All those involved in making THAT decision WERE elected!

 

[chrisd]

What total lack of democracy?

sort of easy really Paul - we voted to leave and the remainers are doing their best to thwart it

 

[robinthehood]

sort of easy really Paul - we voted to leave and the remainers are doing their best to thwart it

Not true, it was thwarted when bojo and mogo voted against the Tory party , otherwise we'd be out by now and able to move on to phase 2.
The remainers are simply exercising their democratic rights.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If a GE is called for November and the EU reject an extension and we leave on 31st Oct, Which party would it benefit? In theory Farage and his cronies will completely disappear, I can’t see the Lib Dems campaigning on a rejoining the EU ticket and god knows how the tories and Labour will fair.
Could it actually increase the chance of a Labour win? They could get backing from those Labour supporters who voted Leave whilst at the same time blaming the tories for 3 years of turmoil.
Will the tories be able to unite by saying the EU forced the No Deal while they really wanted a deal.
We could be back to a 2 horse race by default.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

sort of easy really Paul - we voted to leave and the remainers are doing their best to thwart it

Some leavers have as well mate, if the hardliners had supported TM we might of been out by now.

 

[Beezerk]

Not true, it was thwarted when bojo and mogo voted against the Tory party , otherwise we'd be out by now and able to move on to phase 2.
The remainers are simply exercising their democratic rights.

And Labour stating they would vote down "any deal" proposed by the government. Don't think that helped either 🤔

 

[robinthehood]

Interesting. Can you tell me which law that we have forced upon us by the EU that you disagreed with, or is it more to do with any possible future laws that the UK would have to implement that was your concern? Do you believe that the EU would implement a law that was detrimental to the UK that we would vote against?

I asked a similar question about people's top 10 EU enforced laws they are looking forward to being revoked. I'm still waiting for an answer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And Labour stating they would vote down "any deal" proposed by the government. Don't think that helped either 🤔

Didn’t help, but was irrelevant if TM had kept her majority together.

 

[Old Skier]

If a GE is called for November and the EU reject an extension and we leave on 31st Oct, Which party would it benefit? In theory Farage and his cronies will completely disappear, I can’t see the Lib Dems campaigning on a rejoining the EU ticket and god knows how the tories and Labour will fair.
Could it actually increase the chance of a Labour win? They could get backing from those Labour supporters who voted Leave whilst at the same time blaming the tories for 3 years of turmoil.
Will the tories be able to unite by saying the EU forced the No Deal while they really wanted a deal.
We could be back to a 2 horse race by default.

Personally I think it would give Labour the edge because the turnout will be low which gives labour an advantage. There will be many out there that, after this mess, won't bother to vote again IMO.

 

[Old Skier]

I asked a similar question about people's top 10 EU enforced laws they are looking forward to being revoked. I'm still waiting for an answer.

Not true

 

[chrisd]

Not true, it was thwarted when bojo and mogo voted against the Tory party , otherwise we'd be out by now and able to move on to phase 2.
The remainers are simply exercising their democratic rights.

Only partly true Paddy. They voted against a bad deal with a wish to get a better one (which many agreed with) and then got in a position to potentially deliver a better one and remainers are trying to usurp it

 

[robinthehood]

Not true

Very true, who's top 10 have I missed ?

 

[robinthehood]

Only partly true Paddy. They voted against a bad deal with a wish to get a better one (which many agreed with) and then got in a position to potentially deliver a better one and remainers are trying to usurp it

Why do keep calling me paddy ? I'm not Irish you know.

 

[chrisd]

Some leavers have as well mate, if the hardliners had supported TM we might of been out by now.

Maybe so Paul, but with a deal that was so bad it would have been better to stay in

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Please explain how, the EU gave us "The Deal" which Parliament rejected, how is the deadlock going to be achieved. In the first thread you amongst others were poo pohing the idea that the EU would change its mind when suggested by leavers. What's changed.

Simply saying that if the EU think that if an extension accommodates a GE; and they know that a GE might change something; and that a GE might lead to a further referendum or change in stance in respect of TM's red lines - then they'll be more inclined to grant the extension.

 

[robinthehood]

Maybe so Paul, but with a deal that was so bad it would have been better to stay in

The deal was just stage 1.... we could then negotiate future state.

 

[Old Skier]

Very true, who's top 10 have I missed ?

Never gave you ten, I gave you one. I can only give examples in areas that I have knowledge. I doubt many go trawling through EU legislation unless they need to.