Fade and Die
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Your red specs are clouding your view again. I blame all of Parliament for this fubar situation. Stop being so precious thinking it’s all a dig at your magic grandpa.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Your red specs are clouding your view again. I blame all of Parliament for this fubar situation. Stop being so precious thinking it’s all a dig at your magic grandpa.
Hitdaball
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Do we agree that any forthcoming GE is likely to be a de facto second ref on “revoke†or “no deal�
Beezerk
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Like I said earlier, no deal doesn't exist as an option anymore so how can it now be part of a GE mandate?
It will be more a leave or remain, but erm, where have we had that one before? 🤔
Fade and Die
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No I think it’s quite proportional. When Parliament disregards the will of the people like this only a fool would not be concerned.
Hitdaball
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The tories will only have candidates who support no deal so they will have a majority post GE to overturn later. They will have to do this or Farage will ream them.
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Deleted member 16999
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It’s you reading too much, I’m able to separate Party Politics with Brexit.
In case you’ve missed it I VOTED LEAVE.
You are talking about betrayal and traitors, were was this language when TM lost the first vote?
Were have I supported Corbyn’s position on Brexit?
I don’t care what colour rosette an MP wears, I don’t want a No Deal.
Until a PM can quantify the damage a No Deal will cause, whether that be 1 day or 1 week or 1 year etc, then it should not be acceptable to anyone imo.
Beezerk
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Not sure about how the Torys will stand, Lib Dems are the only real remain vote at the minute, but who would vote for the uni fees liars? Labour, I listen to discussion about politics most days and I still have absolutely no idea what their stance is, they are an embarrassment of an opposition party with no real leadership.
Take your pick out of that lot lol
drdel
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So how many times did Ireland take before they got the answer right on their multiple choice question of 2.
Looks awfully like the UK is on the same EU quiz.
Looks awfully like the UK is on the same EU quiz.
Blue in Munich
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Theresa "No deal is better than a bad deal" May's dog's dinner of a deal was seen through as BRINO and tying us to the EU; it was rejected by the House and in doing so they were seen as trying to enact the result of the referendum, hence they were not seen as betraying the result & the public.
Tonight's vote has tied Boris Johnson's hands and made it nigh on impossible to negotiate a decent deal as it has taken away the bargaining card of leaving with no deal. Everything you look at in the bill is designed to either resurrect the dog's dinner, extend the negotiating period or revoke Article 50, all of which keeps us in the EU and amounts to a betrayal of the referendum result.
Hopefully BJ does not achieve a deal and the EU stick with their promise no to extend the time limit and kick us out. But as Hammond has apparently found out, they are as morally bankrupt as our lot, desperate to hang on to the money and the power and despite the talk that there will be no extension, they will extend the deadline & bleed us dry whilst they do. They should be ashamed of themselves, but as become apparent, they have no shame.
drdel
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Perhaps Macron will refuse an extention, he was playing hardball last time.
In any case why would the EU want trouble making UK back? given the number of Brexit Party MEPs from the UK they would have permanently siting.
In any case why would the EU want trouble making UK back? given the number of Brexit Party MEPs from the UK they would have permanently siting.
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User62651
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169 MEPs from eurosceptic parties across EU elected this year, only 29 are Brexit Party. Just pointing out there will always be anti EU voices represented from all member states in the European parliament, that's absolutely fine, all voices should be represented.
Taz
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We should boycott Eurovision until they offer us a deal
Blue in Munich
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Money; pure & simple. With the number of net contributors economies in trouble, they can't afford to lose one & keep the dream of the Federal European Republic alive.
clubchamp98
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The irony is if we stay in the EU we will be funding the Federal dream.
If Boris wins the GE the first thing he will do is reverse this no deal bill that takes it off the table.
The EU know it ,Corybn knows it .
So just get the GE done and let the electorate decide.
There is no need for a extension.
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It’s only tied the PM’s hands if he is to be believed, he switches from saying he believes he can get a better deal to saying we leave on the 31st Oct with no deal regardless.
Whose he bluffing? Us? The EU? Both?
I genuinely have no faith in him, he’s a known liar, second only to Prince Philip in embarrassing himself in public, he’s now asking for support from MP’s that he’s failed to give previous PM’s himself in the past and then sacking them.
I’ll ask you question, If he comes back with a deal and for some tory MP’s, who want the No Deal, vote against him will you be happy when he sacks them?
SocketRocket
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How naive are you. He isn't coming back with any deal, he's been hamstrung by MPs and has nothing to bargain with. While you're throwing the 'liar' card around i guess you withhold it from Corbyn and his insistence that he is ready for an election at any time, also his and all those that previously stated they respected the leave vote. You cannot defend the undefendable.
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And you revert to type by deflecting, were have I mentioned Corbyn!
Why do you suddenly think he can get a better deal, if you’re correct it’s a win win, EU don’t talk, don’t extend past 31st October and because of them we leave with No deal, he states “I tried, all their faultâ€
It’s not me who’s naive, it’s the people believing he’s some sort of messiah.
SocketRocket
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You cannot remove Corbyn from this current situation. I explained he has been insisting on an election to sort the Brexit impasse but when given the ooppertunity he decides its not the time. You couldn't make it up. 🙄And you revert to type by deflecting, were have I mentioned Corbyn!
Why do you suddenly think he can get a better deal, if you’re correct it’s a win win, EU don’t talk, don’t extend past 31st October and because of them we leave with No deal, he states “I tried, all their faultâ€
It’s not me who’s naive, it’s the people believing he’s some sort of messiah.
I only see Boris being able to get a better deal if he gets the support of parliament. The cornerstone of this is the referendum result where you and I voted to leave and due to the shinanigans of remainer MPs this is being thwarted.
SocketRocket
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Up late tonight watching the HOL debating the current Brexit no deal proposals. What is this house about, its overloaded by its representation of the House of Commons . It needs kicking onto the long grass and replaced by something less partisan and representative of society.
2nd referendum-people’s vote.
Call a GE and let the people vote. Oh it’s gone very quiet on that one this week.
Call a GE and let the people vote. Oh it’s gone very quiet on that one this week.
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