Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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£1 billion a month is a ballpark figure for our contributions to the EU budget, but it needs context
If Mr. Raab is comparing the cost of any extension to a no deal exit at the end of October, then his figure of £1 billion for monthly EU contributions is in the right ballpark. However, as BBC Reality Check has pointed out, this doesn’t factor in payments received from the EU, which would reduce the amount by about a quarter."
 
Once again we have Tory MP’s voting against their leader and Party, yet all the comments are having a go/poking fun at opposition leaders and Parties.
Until the Tories and their supporters take responsibilty for what they have done to their own Party and each other, we are going nowhere.
Worth a listen to “The Father of the House” from a few moments ago.

 
Once again we have Tory MP’s voting against their leader and Party, yet all the comments are having a go/poking fun at opposition leaders and Parties.
Until the Tories and their supporters take responsibilty for what they have done to their own Party and each other, we are going nowhere.
Worth a listen to “The Father of the House” from a few moments ago.



Clarke – a pointless yesterday man trying to make out he still has influence and people are willing to listen to his words of wisdom.
He stopped being a conservative when
the stupid old *** said that he would support a Labour government led by Corbyn if it would prevent a No-deal Brexit, but only as long as he wouldn’t introduce any of the more extreme Labour policies!

So what do you think he would do if he became PM, you daft old fool?
 
Clarke – a pointless yesterday man trying to make out he still has influence and people are willing to listen to his words of wisdom.
He stopped being a conservative when
the stupid old *** said that he would support a Labour government led by Corbyn if it would prevent a No-deal Brexit, but only as long as he wouldn’t introduce any of the more extreme Labour policies!

So what do you think he would do if he became PM, you daft old fool?
That’s the tory way, slander and kick out anyone who dares have a voice.
I guess you believe TM should of kicked out the idiot and his cronies when he voted against her twice? Or is that different?:unsure:
 
That’s the tory way, slander and kick out anyone who dares have a voice.
I guess you believe TM should of kicked out the idiot and his cronies when he voted against her twice? Or is that different?:unsure:

1st point, Clarke should have defected to the Lib undemocrats a long time ago, his views have been at odds with the conservatives for years now. Tbh he should have crept off to the HOL years ago. (Ditto that disgrace Soames)
2nd point TM never had the spine for the job, Boris knows to put a stop to The Great Betrayal he needs to be brutal. Kick the traitors out, make sure everyone is on the same page.
 
1st point, Clarke should have defected to the Lib undemocrats a long time ago, his views have been at odds with the conservatives for years now. Tbh he should have crept off to the HOL years ago. (Ditto that disgrace Soames)
2nd point TM never had the spine for the job, Boris knows to put a stop to The Great Betrayal he needs to be brutal. Kick the traitors out, make sure everyone is on the same page.

Great Betrayal?

I’m confused - when other Tories voted against the previous PM was it a betrayal ? Where they kicked out of the party ? Where they insulted in the same way ? Where they traitors then ?

A lot of this all smacks of double standards - if an MP voted your way but against the party line I suspect you would look at that MP different to the MP who voted the Party Line but against your opinion

That’s what this all boils down to - country split in two - some MP’s doing what half the country and some MP’s doing what the other want - it’s why this whole process has caused a lot of damage to this country regardless of what the conclusion is.
 
I dispair of all the arguements and crap flying around about this all.
I freely say I voted to stay in, but was happy to accept the vote outcome.
But now with all the jism the whole lot of them are spouting, game playing, monies made betting against the pound and supporting British companies such as giving the new passport contract to the French I give up.
This is no longer about whats best for the country or what anyone voted for, it's about ideology and dogma. We are a laughing stock of the highest order, and no-one will think the British democracy and establishment are anything but baffoons of the highest order.
I'm sick and tired of the whole thing, the arguements, bickering, going round and round in circles I'm right your wrong.
It stinks, and I now feel totally embarressed to be British.
 
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So Depfeffel takes another one in his arse.

The people’s saviour is doing a spiffing job of uniting the anti Brexit elements of parliament. The man is a tool, advised by a tool.
 
1st point, Clarke should have defected to the Lib undemocrats a long time ago, his views have been at odds with the conservatives for years now. Tbh he should have crept off to the HOL years ago. (Ditto that disgrace Soames)
2nd point TM never had the spine for the job, Boris knows to put a stop to The Great Betrayal he needs to be brutal. Kick the traitors out, make sure everyone is on the same page.
Wow, just wow, is this serious? Great Betrayal and Traitors?
His Cabinet is what you should be looking at for traitors, 1 sacked for breaking the Official Secrets Act another sacked for talking to a Foreign Government without authority and he’s re-employed them.
I genuinely don’t think you understand what you’ve written, it’s embarrassing.
 
So in summary today Boris has been beaten twice ?

The bill to stop a No Deal Brexit was approved ? Is that right?

And MPs didn’t back his call for a General Election

So do we have two scenarios left - leave with the deal TM got or revoke Art50 ?
 
Great Betrayal?

I’m confused - when other Tories voted against the previous PM was it a betrayal ? Where they kicked out of the party ? Where they insulted in the same way ? Where they traitors then ?

A lot of this all smacks of double standards - if an MP voted your way but against the party line I suspect you would look at that MP different to the MP who voted the Party Line but against your opinion

That’s what this all boils down to - country split in two - some MP’s doing what half the country and some MP’s doing what the other want - it’s why this whole process has caused a lot of damage to this country regardless of what the conclusion is.

it is over 1,150 days since the referendum that resulted in a decision to leave the European Union. In the name of all the gods that have never existed, surely that is enough time for Parliament to have sorted out the issues involved in exiting an organisation that has only existed in its current form for 26 years? They haven’t because they do not want to. THAT is The Great Betrayal of the British people by parliament.
 
it is over 1,150 days since the referendum that resulted in a decision to leave the European Union. In the name of all the gods that have never existed, surely that is enough time for Parliament to have sorted out the issues involved in exiting an organisation that has only existed in its current form for 26 years? They haven’t because they do not want to. THAT is The Great Betrayal of the British people by parliament.

🤦‍♂️ A tad overreacting there don’t you think - it’s not a “Great Betrayal” , what it does show is how complicated it was from the start and the issue were for more in depth than anyone reason and it wasn’t something that could be resolved on a basic yes no majority vote.
 
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