Parsaregood
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He would in effect want to lose that vote
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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chrisd
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Surely he'd want to win the vote, resign, and then there would be a GE
ger147
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A "win" for Boris would be losing the vote i.e. the HoC's voting that they have no confidence in the government. That counts as the government losing. And there wouldn't automatically be a GE straight away, there is then a period where the opposition can attempt to win a confidence vote to take over. Only if that also fails can Boris then call a GE.
But as I said above, Corbyn knows this so won't vote Boris down until the EU ratify the Brexit date move.
Mudball
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Isn’t it easier to call a Ref 2 than GE.. in a GE some/most will lose their jobs. The public ‘mandate’ is still undeliverable to anyone who forms the next coalition. So why not solve the problem rather than the symptom? Or am I being too simple ?
Mudball
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Taz
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A ref won't give Jezza the Red a shot at getting in, which is what he wants (again)
Taz
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ger147
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It's not easier to do anything at the moment. There is no majority in the HoC's for anything positive, only negative i.e. what they don't want.
Motions to have a 2nd vote were defeated shortly after May's deal was defeated and the arithmetic in parliament hasn't changed since then.
clubchamp98
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It’s a bit early to be drinking ,,lol.
Taz
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The conservative manifesto will include a major piece about leaving on Oct 31st come what may. Every candidate will need to sign up to this. If they don't then they will not be able to stand as a Tory. If the Conservatives gain a majority every candidate will be duty bound to follow the govt and the manifesto they signed up to. The cull of 21 last night was the start of this.
Taz
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EU trying to digest this morning what exactly last night means for negotiations. Le Monde article below starts with words: « Another crazy day in Brexitland » EU mood the morning after the night before is bittersweet. EU leaders glad to see rejection in parliament of no deal (+ there’s thinly-veiled Schadenfreude about Johnson’s defeat. The man who EU heard saying you just need more oomph and positive thinking to make a deal..)BUT /2 EU repeats what said last time parliament voted against no deal: the only way to ban no deal is to make a deal with EU or cancel #Brexit otherwise no deal happens by default /3 A general election, another #Brexit extension.. The EU feels it’s been round this block before. Relief at real possibility of avoiding what seemed inevitable no deal on 31 Oct balanced out by EU realisation that MPs still divided about what they DO want /4 Meanwhile all the #Brexit uncertainty is costly for EU economically and politically. Businesses eg in NL complaining to their gov BUT this does not mean they want EU leaders to « cave in » on #Brexit deal /5 EU business makes more money from single market as a whole than from trade with U.K. alone. General EU consensus: the economic hit of no deal would be less costly than making compromises in renegotiations that weaken single market as a whole /6 Would EU grant another Brexit extension if asked by gov? Most likely yes, despite grumblings of « never ending #Brexit « but.. /7 EU officials I speak to are already looking ahead: Deal or no deal, they say, the UK’s « exiting » was meant to be the easy bit. Trade deal negotiations that follow are when hardest trade-offs come to light ..So what will that be like?? /8 EU heard PMs declaration last night that he will now come to Brusseks and get a new #Brexit deal at the EU leaders’ summit in mid Oct.. EU leaders’ eyebrows could not be raised any higher.. They are clear: they will not directly negotiate with PM at the summit because /10 The PMs main EU envoy David Frost is coming to Brussels today. That should be interesting. Johnson gov regarded here with huge mistrust and has now lost any pretence of majority .. Though even before last night EU clear it lacked support in Parliament to guarantee anything /11
Kellfire
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I’d love to know how it’s trolling to hold an opinion held by millions of people.
The people deserve the representation they voted for in the binding votes for MPs, rather than allowing the PM to remove our democratic right to enforce a non binding vote in its stead.
So many people are just handing away their democracy and gift wrapping it for the thieves. Sad.
The people deserve the representation they voted for in the binding votes for MPs, rather than allowing the PM to remove our democratic right to enforce a non binding vote in its stead.
So many people are just handing away their democracy and gift wrapping it for the thieves. Sad.
Foxholer
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Just remember why there are 28 Commissioners. They are, effectively, appointed by Member States, though they take an oath to be 'bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state'. The European Parliament must approve the appointments.
It's not all that different, though it IS different, from how UK Government works - if you consider the College as (the equivalent of) Cabinet. Virtually all UK Law ioriginates from Cabinet. Though some of the non-Cabinet originated laws are 'key' ones - as we could well find out soon!
is that the "non binding vote" that we were told would be implemented?
Foxholer
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They have that!
What 'democratic right is that'? And how has it been 'removed' - that our democracy doesn't allow him to do?
Twaddle!
Old Skier
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Selective democracy: Minority democracy good - majority democracy bad.
Old Skier
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The biggest form of "Peoples Vote", solves everything in one go.
robinthehood
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Not sure it will, at least not in the way you hope.
Kellfire
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Sleepwalking.
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