Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Liverpoolphil said:
What was that about petty name calling ?

And the insults started from both sides even before the vote was even cast

And are we actually leaving ? Was it not supposed to be 3 months ago ?

I wouldn’t rule out a delay just yet and then a deal that means we are pretty much still in 😂😂
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Oh I didn't think it would be long before this point was made, seen we were in the business of pettiness I thought I'd join in 😂 we will leave dont worry, the government of unity cant even unify itself so I really dont think there is any question and the recent softening and seeming change to the EU's outlook on negotiating is further evidence they realise our leaving is now not in doubt
 
Hobbit said:
A division of Iceland shops is Iceland International, which can be found in 40 countries around the world, including in the Far East.

I get my MM pork pies from the local Iceland International. I also get Greggs meat slices and sausage rolls. Yet a spokesman for Walker and sons, the main distributor for MM says that MM doesn't export at all. Well guess what, they do...
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He did not say that.
He just confirmed that they did not export to the two countries that BJ told the press.
Just like the EU kipper packaging story, the man just makes it up on the fly and some folk think it is his endearing feature.
Might be OK for a cockanee fly boy but for a PM, seriously.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
He did not say that.
He just confirmed that they did not export to the two countries that BJ told the press.
Just like the EU kipper packaging story, the man just makes it up on the fly and some folk think it is his endearing feature.
Might be OK for a cockanee fly boy but for a PM, seriously.
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With regards to the pork pie quote I'm not sure you can blame Boris for repeating info that he has been given by the Department for International Trade. Surely, if the information is wrong, the blame lies with whoever has provided him with that info. He can't possibly check every piece of info he is given and has to trust that those providing it are giving him correct info.
 
Hobbit said:
A division of Iceland shops is Iceland International, which can be found in 40 countries around the world, including in the Far East.

I get my MM pork pies from the local Iceland International. I also get Greggs meat slices and sausage rolls. Yet a spokesman for Walker and sons, the main distributor for MM says that MM doesn't export at all. Well guess what, they do...
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Are they actually Walker & Sons ones?
More likely, it's probably Iceland (International) that has done the shipping! Sending goods to Spain - or elsewhere in the EU - iis currently pretty simple! I'd suggest your 'treats from home' are going to get sparcer and more expensive post (no-deal) from a couple of months! Whether that's also the case, currently, for the Far East, I haven't a clue.

But there was also a snippet in a W&S comment that was probably more relevant....Because of the nature of MMPPs it's not economically viable to export them US!

Oh, and just to 'throw another pie'!....Post Brexit, any man and his dog, in EU or elsewhere, would be able to make 'Melton Mowbray Pork Pies' and any old how, as the protection that currently exits would disappear. Same for the Cornish Pasty 'label' and many other UK labels, as it's through the EU that 'protection' exists! Just another of the many issues that need to be addressed for Brexit.
 
Foxholer said:
Are they actually Walker & Sons ones?
More likely, it's probably Iceland (International) that has done the shipping! Sending goods to Spain - or elsewhere in the EU - iis currently pretty simple! I'd suggest your 'treats from home' are going to get sparcer and more expensive post (no-deal) from a couple of months! Whether that's also the case, currently, for the Far East, I haven't a clue.

But there was also a snippet in a W&S comment that was probably more relevant....Because of the nature of MMPPs it's not economically viable to export them US!

Oh, and just to 'throw another pie'!....Post Brexit, any man and his dog, in EU or elsewhere, would be able to make 'Melton Mowbray Pork Pies' and any old how, as the protection that currently exits would disappear. Same for the Cornish Pasty 'label' and many other UK labels, as it's through the EU that 'protection' exists! Just another of the many issues that need to be addressed for Brexit.
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TBH, with the £ falling as it has, the "treats from home" are more expensive anyway. As for the protection; do I really care where my pork pie and pasty is made? Surely the desire is to have a decent pie/pasty, irrespective of the name. And to flip your comment, UK manufacturers will be able to make EU goods that are currently protected.

As for what's currently in the cupboard, and where its from, pretty much everything is Spanish. Its cheaper and, in most cases, fresher/nicer. Didn't think I'd ever come away from Heinz tomato sauce or Nescafe Gold Blend.
 
Foxholer said:
If they do, they will be breaking International Law!
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And the EU won't? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make if you're saying the Cornish pasty will lose protection, and the EU will lose protection of their goods. But then you're saying they'll have the protection of international law.... you've lost me.
 
Hobbit said:
And the EU won't? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make if you're saying the Cornish pasty will lose protection, and the EU will lose protection of their goods. But then you're saying they'll have the protection of international law.... you've lost me.
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Do some research about the way that area works then! The EU won't lose protectiom of their goods - even in UK!

It's another, hopefully relatively simple, chunk of beauracracy the UK government has to 'recall' and administer as a separate state!
 
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Foxholer said:
Seems the main theme of these articles is the continuing story of Boris's twaddle!

You've been banging on about 'ECB fragility' and 'EU economic decline' for some years now. Yet the Euro has significantly improved against the pound in that time! That seems to suggest more knowledgeable folk than me (certainly) or you (possibly/probably) disagree (or don't care - yet) or that the UK economy is in a far worse state!

I agree that the German economy has issues currently and may be heading for technical recession. I don't believe that's an 'EU caused' problem - though the EU could well suffer because of it!

Btw which of the many 'state bank's are you talking about?
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My opinions (which is all they are) or 'banging on' are formed from reading numerous economic based articles in professional journals and the press. Articles that focus on the long term issues rather than the last couple of years. I'm not about to produce a refereed and referenced article to keep you desire to critique happy or to try and change your mind. Right it all off as heresay if that's your wish.
 
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Foxholer said:
Do some research about the way that area works then! The EU won't lose protectiom of their goods - even in UK!

It's another, hopefully relatively simple, chunk of beauracracy the UK government has to 'recall' and administer as a separate state!
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You’re doing that exclamation mark thing again! Stop shouting!

And I did read up on international law on it before replying. Explain yourself!
 
PieMan said:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/protect...res-no-brexit-deal#rules-for-a-no-deal-brexit
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The following extracted suggests that although UK GI products will be protected in the UK, they will not necessarily be protected in the EU. If I understand the guidance correctly this means that anyone in the EU could produce a pasty and sell it in the EU as a Cornish Pasty.

Existing UK products
All existing UK products registered under EU GI schemes will get UK GI status and remain protected in the UK.

Protection of UK GIs in the EU
In a no deal Brexit, it’s possible that the EU may not continue to protect UK GI products. You’ll need to be prepared to apply to the European Commission to regain:
  • EU protection
  • the right to use the EU GI logo
You’ll need to show that your product is protected as a GI in the UK. The UK government will provide support and guidance for your application.
 
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