SocketRocket
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Shock and horror! UK Prime minister visits French and German heads of state for talks. What next eh!
See you've reverted back to your silly BeeJay name calling. Thought you had got over that silly little episode.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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See you've reverted back to your silly BeeJay name calling. Thought you had got over that silly little episode.
I'm not quite sure what the EU expect at this point. The deal they wont budge on can not get through parliament. It has had 3 goes and failed miserably eachtime. We are in dead parrot territory and they need to see that. It is dead, it has ceased to be. There has to be movement or there is no deal. They don't even have to move that much I suspect but they will have to give something if they want any form of smooth transition.
You do realise that if trade is going backwards and forwards ok, and then the French decide to block it unilaterally they could so easily find themselves in the WTO court. And it won't be the first time that France, and Germany, has been up before the WTO court for blocking trade.
Ah but that won't suit your argument will it. "Unilaterally block," get real.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Why on earth should I be going to the EU media for my information. If this is the case then the UK media is not doing their job - and they did their anti-EU job pretty well for the last 4 decades spinning rubbish about the EU so I wouldn't expect to have to look hard for EU27 business concerns over readiness.
The fact that I may be misinformed suggests that the vast majority of the UK electorate may well remain pretty much ill-informed about this stuff also. Sending me to read EU media to raise my understanding rather misses the point about UK citizens trying to understand what the heck is going on.
And, in truth, whatever EU27 business say about their readiness or lack of it when faced with a No Deal UK exit - I frankly don't really give a monkeys - as it is UK business, industry and supply chains that are going to be affected and that will affect us here. That the UK may have issued 100s of technical notices does not tell me anything about business readiness.
If numbers of technical notices issued is a measure of readiness then how come just about everything I hear from business and industry - and now the government's own Yellowhammer assessment published earlier this month - raises concerns about UK readiness - despite Gove and his crew tell us how well positioned everything is now - and how much things have improved in the last 4 weeks. Really?
If I felt that I was in a small minority of the electorate that is uninformed about such as readiness of EU27 business for a No Deal UK Exit, then I would take the criticism as absolutely merited - but I am trying to understand.
And what I read of Yellowhammer yesterday in the ST was not great; it was not a worst case - and the ST said very clearly that this was not project fear - but project reality. That the government are making such a fuss about it being leaked - and it should not have had to be leaked - why could they just not tell us that this is what might well happen. I read the ST. So I am informed about Yellowhammer. I suspect that the vast majority of the electorate have not read it - and are ill-informed by what they hear from Gove.
So with JO'B on holiday this week I listen to his sub Maajid Nawaz. And the absolute ignorance some callers to him had about what leaving the EU with No Deal -means - and why we can't just have new trade deals in place with the Eu and the USA etc by 31/10 is eye-opening - if I hadn't heard it endless times before over the last three years. And that is without JO'B in the seat.
So please point out where my understanding is lacking - but please don't criticise me too harshly for not knowing. Very few of us know.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Except he has been telling us that he wasn't going to engage in any talks - telling Macron and Merkel about his determination to leave 31/10 on No Deal if there is no deal agreed is setting out a negotiating position - or are you now going to tell me that in your extensive experience of negotiating you've never set out your stall as part of your negotiations. He is negotiating when he said he wasn't going to.
And I'll call Johnson exactly what I want. It is no more name calling than calling him nice cuddly BoJo (as far as I am concerned he's not nice - he's not cuddly) any more than some of the names Jo Swinson has been called on here of late - and I didn't see you call foul on those doing such name calling - as you do not call out those ridiculing Diane Abbott and Nicola Sturgeon with silly epithets.
There is nothing name calling about BeeJay - unless you didn't spot it BeeJay simply a phonetic representation of BJ. Tough you don't like it. Maybe I'll consider your feelings and not use it again.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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How can you unilaterally block something by removing measures that were not there before - but that you have unilaterally put in place to facilitate trade - measures you have had to put in place to mitigate the impact of actions of a third party that disrupt trade. Maybe you can.
Your lack of understanding leads to a lack of balance in your posting. And your desire NOT to look at the EU media only highlights your bias - seem to remember you're keen enough to post up US media in another thread coz it suits. And that is what grinds my gears. You preach and preach and preach, like a zealot, and now you admit you don't going looking for both sides of the story... how very, very disappointing.
You continually point out the perceived bad in the UK's handling of Brexit, some of which is deserved BTW, and Yellowhammer is a prime example. First of all, Yellowhammer is worst case - nowt wrong with that. Secondly, and more importantly, it was penned under May and Hammond who managed the process very differently to the current govt, who are going hell for leather in mitigating things - Hammond wouldn't release money for planning that other ministers realised was needed and asked for.
The releasing of the Yellowhammer assessment by a previous minister is disingenuous at best, and could be argued as being not in the UK's best interests. That ex-minister will know of the accelerated planning that has been going on in recent weeks yet decided to release something that may well be out of date in a number of areas. Disgraceful! Personally, if it wasn't for the slender majority of one, of which I dare say some wouldn't vote for the govt anyway, I'd remove the Whip from whoever released the assessment.
How about "implied terms." By putting something in place you have created terms for trade. A court makes an assumption that by putting terms in place there is an agreement in principle.
Foxholer
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Which will mean the chaos of Operation Stack!
It's not 'the EU' as such, but could be a consequence of any industrial action - or 'system' (not necessarily IT!) failure.
It's why Calais is so important to UK, but is about to be moved a significant further distance from 'UK influence'.
Industrial action applies whether the UK stays in the EU or not, and has little to do with any potential trade deal or WTO terms. And, maybe, when outside the EU the UK could argue restraint of trade via a WTO court rather than a potentially biassed ECJ.
As for the failure of a system; what has that got to do with the Brexit argument. Systems could fail at any time, again, irrespective of being in or out of the EU.
Not sure how an off chance happenstance is really relevant to the Brexit argument.
SocketRocket
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He's not there for talks with Barnier, he's meeting with the two major EU heads of state, I am not aware he has said he would not meet with them. Regarding your BeeJay, are you really so naive that you are unaware of the sexual connotations associated with that term 😧
Foxholer
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Perhaps you should peruse this article...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48752222
If the (over)PC Beeb don't have a problem with 'BJ' I don't believe anyone should!
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
Just call him Boris FFS!
You obviously know BJ is a reference to oral sex so why persist? It’s immature and makes you seem childish.
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
Only after using full names in the beginning... Hogan uses it as a childish jibe. Honestly I find it cringeworthy to read.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I think Hogan makes himself look silly, the BBC are out and out nut jobs.
Foxholer
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In your opinion!
I'm afraid BoJo is stuck with the less 'tasteful' moniker. Boris isn't even his first name, so it was his choice!
MegaSteve
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As someone who has occasionally been known to frequent hosteleries in Boris's manor... Calling him BJ is probably the most pleasant term to be heard...
Foxholer
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Well, that's put everyone in their proper place then! 'No opinions that differ from mine allowed!'
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
ER! Where did I say that "I think" may have been a clue that it was MY opinion 🙄Well, that's put everyone in their proper place then! 'No opinions that differ from mine allowed!'
Have you ever worked for the BBC?
Foxholer
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49397728
Sadly, this sort of thing is actually what has to be planned for! It's no criticism nor anti-Brexit post, simply the realism of the minutae of what's involved!
Sadly, this sort of thing is actually what has to be planned for! It's no criticism nor anti-Brexit post, simply the realism of the minutae of what's involved!
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