Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[clubchamp98]

You mean get worse and get back to somewhere a bit worse than we are now?
Great.

Well it’s not exactly great now is it really.
Foodbanks ,austerity, homelessness,manufacturing industries. Not the fault of the EU but it all ads up.
But it’s great in London !
We have been in the EU for over forty years it’s no great shakes imo.
So a different path is needed.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If the people voted for a No Deal Brexit why has this Government farted about for 3 years desperately trying to get a deal.......asking for a friend

 

[clubchamp98]

If the people voted for a No Deal Brexit why has this Government farted about for 3 years desperately trying to get a deal.......asking for a friend

We had a remainer in charge and a parliament that dosnt want to leave.

 

[Hobbit]

I can't understand why the UK didn't take up the EU offer of a Canada+ deal that Tusk offered, instead favouring the BRINO abortion that May preferred.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well it’s not exactly great now is it really.
Foodbanks ,austerity, homelessness,manufacturing industries. Not the fault of the EU but it all ads up.
But it’s great in London !
We have been in the EU for over forty years it’s no great shakes imo.
So a different path is needed.

Guessing you mean 'the city' when you say London... I've searched high and low and have yet to see any streets paved in gold...

London, in general, hasn't fared at all well whilst we've been part of 'the experiment'...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well it’s not exactly great now is it really.
Foodbanks ,austerity, homelessness,manufacturing industries. Not the fault of the EU but it all ads up.
But it’s great in London !
We have been in the EU for over forty years it’s no great shakes imo.
So a different path is needed.

So there is a lot of things that you rightly have identified that we need to address in this country. None of which is the fault of the EU as you say. So instead of putting time and resources to help address those problems, you think the best approach is to spend an inordinate amount of of time, money and effort to leave the EU?? Which as you have admitted, won't sort out those other issues?

 

[drdel]

I can't understand why the UK didn't take up the EU offer of a Canada+ deal that Tusk offered, instead favouring the BRINO abortion that May preferred.

I think you answered your own statement

 

[MegaSteve]

So there is a lot of things that you rightly have identified that we need to address in this country. None of which is the fault of the EU as you say. So instead of putting time and resources to help address those problems, you think the best approach is to spend an inordinate amount of of time, money and effort to leave the EU?? Which as you have admitted, won't sort out those other issues?

Personal experience tells me Brussels is far from blameless...

 

[clubchamp98]

So there is a lot of things that you rightly have identified that we need to address in this country. None of which is the fault of the EU as you say. So instead of putting time and resources to help address those problems, you think the best approach is to spend an inordinate amount of of time, money and effort to leave the EU?? Which as you have admitted, won't sort out those other issues?

Possibly not but if we put the time and money spent on the EU into our own problems maybe we could solve some or at least make them better.
Our politico over the years ,without asking have put us so deep into this project that it’s almost impossible to get out.
That can’t be good , a club we can’t leave!

 

[robinthehood]

I see Boris water thin majority just got a little thinner. I hope he calls a GE

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see Boris water thin majority just got a little thinner. I hope he calls a GE

No surprise there, a crooked Tory MP replaced by a Lib Dem.

We just need the Scots Tory leader to sack her 11 rebel MP's now.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I see Boris water thin majority just got a little thinner. I hope he calls a GE

Not sure it told us much we did not know. In that there is a majority of people in some seats that are tired of the extremist cult led politics labour and the Tories are now practicing. The tories still need to woo back the diseffected tory voters who have gone over to the Brexit party to get any sort of majority and Labour are becoming even more inelectable and probably need to get a new leader to stand any chance of getting a majority in the upcoming GE. And brexit is still dominating our political discourse to the detriment of other issues.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Possibly not but if we put the time and money spent on the EU into our own problems maybe we could solve some or at least make them better.
Our politico over the years ,without asking have put us so deep into this project that it’s almost impossible to get out.
That can’t be good , a club we can’t leave!

If you are saying that we should be spending the time and money now into sorting out our problems instead of spending it on leaving the EU then 100% agree with you. if you are talking about historical contributions then until the red bus I have never heard any serious politician over the years say that the money we are spending on the EU is stopping us sorting out homelessness, lack of school funding, decline of the manufacturing industy etc etc. Over the year the majority of politicians have thought that that the benfits of being in the EU outweigh any financial contribution we make, and given a free vote now still do. And there is a process to leave, we are the ones that are making such a hash of it.

 

[Hobbit]

Not sure it told us much we did not know. In that there is a majority of people in some seats that are tired of the extremist cult led politics labour and the Tories are now practicing. The tories still need to woo back the diseffected tory voters who have gone over to the Brexit party to get any sort of majority and Labour are becoming even more inelectable and probably need to get a new leader to stand any chance of getting a majority in the upcoming GE. And brexit is still dominating our political discourse to the detriment of other issues.

But if there is a majority of people who are tired of the extremist, cult led politics Labour and the Tories are now practicing, add in The Brexit Party, why did those parties poll over 17,000 votes. And if you throw in the mix the pact that Plaid Cymru and the Greens made with the LibDems not to field candidates to give the LibDems a better chance of putting a Remain MP into Westminster... It could also be said that The Brexit Party split the Tory vote.

I think your assessment is well off the mark. With a form of proportional representation would the representation from that constituency be Remain or Leave?

 

[Hobbit]

If you are saying that we should be spending the time and money now into sorting out our problems instead of spending it on leaving the EU then 100% agree with you. if you are talking about historical contributions then until the red bus I have never heard any serious politician over the years say that the money we are spending on the EU is stopping us sorting out homelessness, lack of school funding, decline of the manufacturing industy etc etc. Over the year the majority of politicians have thought that that the benfits of being in the EU outweigh any financial contribution we make, and given a free vote now still do. And there is a process to leave, we are the ones that are making such a hash of it.

There was plenty said long before the Red Bus appeared, including from previous Prime Ministers. Thatcher argued for it, Blair tried to sell out on it, Mandelson argued very publicly with Blair over it.

The issue of contributions and rebates has been on the agenda both in the UK and with the EU Commission since the mid 80's, from what I can remember.

 

[spongebob59]

Using Swinsons Euro election argument, if you add the Con and Brexit part votes then this is a clear manadate to leave..................................

 

[Hobbit]

Using Swinsons Euro election argument, if you add the Con and Brexit part votes then this is a clear manadate to leave..................................

To be fair, you should only add in about 63% of the Tory votes as Leave but there was over 30% Labour Leave, and 22% LibDem Leave voters.................

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Labour guy nearly lost his deposit [In Wales FGS]
Monster Loonies finish in front of UKIP.

 

[Hobbit]

Hahahahahahaha.... James Cleverly has just accused the LibDems of dirty dealing with Plaid Cymru and the Greens to win yesterday's by-election. Remind me Mr Cleverly, or not so Cleverly, of the pact the Tories have with the DUP.

 

[jp5]

The Brexit Party splitting the Conservative vote and letting the LibDems in.

BoJo needs to agree a pact with them or the next GE is going to wipe both of them out despite probably winning the percentage vote

Expect most of them voted against the chance to reform our electoral system mind, so not too much sympathy.