Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Wolf said:
Nothing rude in his post at all, SILH posts recently are the same rhetoric over and over again, once you get past the first few sentences you know it's going to repeat itself and ultimately ends up very self serving how he is always right.

It's not just leave posters, I am one who wants to remain but can't stand SILH holier than thou posts gives remainders a bad name. But I'd rather Boris delivered and if we leave with no deal then fair enough it's dragged on long enough time to deliver what the people voted for and we all move on.
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^^^^^^^ Like with brass knobs on.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'm not sure that politicians are doing anything about stopping Brexit at the moment as parliament is in recess. The only politicians active are BoJo and his buddies - proclaiming to one and all that they will reach out - they will go the extra mile - the extra one thousand miles - to get a deal. But we will leave on 31/10. Well that's what BoJo said at Faslane.

Except BoJo won't go one inch towards speaking with the EU unless the EU drop the backstop completely. No idea if that is all and any backstop - but not having one at all seems a rather difficult ask for the EU to accede to - and hardly it would seem to reflect a UK doing everything possible to engage with the EU to seek a compromise towards a deal. Strikes me that BoJo has set a rather high hurdle to get over for discussions to even start.

Who knows. Maybe the EU will come to realise that UK leaving without a deal will harm the EU more than it will harm the UK - and that they are wrong in their insistence that maintaining the integrity of the Single Market is more important to the EU and EU business and industry than any economic damage done to the EU. Once the EU start listening to us they'll get it.

Anyway - I suppose that when we leave with No Deal BoJo can claim that he was willing to speak with the EU, but they were inflexible in refusing to meet his quite simple pre-condition for the talks to restart. He might try and persuade us that a No Deal departure on 31/10 was therefore the EU's fault (though why 'fault' as it's going to be great is it not?). But we are not stupid - we know that it will be his choice if we do. And more power to his elbow if all is as ticket-boo as he claims is will be. I'm rather hoping he's right. But I am not so sure.
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Assuming that at some point a remain supporting Conservative MP defects and joins the Lib Dems or goes independent does anyone know the time scale needed for this to happen for a GE to occur before we leave by default with no deal? So if an election is called in early October do we simply leave with no deal on 31st October as we have no working government to ask for an extension and we leave by default?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Assuming that at some point a remain supporting Conservative MP defects and joins the Lib Dems or goes independent does anyone know the time scale needed for this to happen for a GE to occur before we leave by default with no deal? So if an election is called in early October do we simply leave with no deal on 31st October as we have no working government to ask for an extension and we leave by default?
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It would need the opposition to call a vote of no confidence in the Government and for this to win the vote for an election to be called. In this case and there being no mechanism to request an extension to article 50 then legally we would leave. Boris could probably do this as well but under the 5 year fixed parliament act I believe would need two thirds of parliament to agree first.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
Assuming that at some point a remain supporting Conservative MP defects and joins the Lib Dems or goes independent does anyone know the time scale needed for this to happen for a GE to occur before we leave by default with no deal? So if an election is called in early October do we simply leave with no deal on 31st October as we have no working government to ask for an extension and we leave by default?
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I think there aren't enough sitting days left before the 31st Oct. Even then, in theory, it doesn't need a Tory MP to cross the House for the numbers to shift. As was mooted yesterday in the news, all it needs is for a couple of Sinn Fein MP's to turn up.

Tough one for Sinn Fein. They've always refused to take up their seats in Westminster. And although they're vehemently opposed to a No Deal Brexit, its been said that a hard border could lead to a united Ireland.
 
Hobbit said:
I think there aren't enough sitting days left before the 31st Oct. Even then, in theory, it doesn't need a Tory MP to cross the House for the numbers to shift. As was mooted yesterday in the news, all it needs is for a couple of Sinn Fein MP's to turn up.

Tough one for Sinn Fein. They've always refused to take up their seats in Westminster. And although they're vehemently opposed to a No Deal Brexit, its been said that a hard border could lead to a united Ireland.
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It would be interesting to see how many europhile Tory MPs would vote against their own party to stop a no deal if it meant a Corbyn Government.
 
^^^ I really do hope you're right - a Labour Government with Corbyn at its helm with McDonnell alongside him, will screw the average Brit into the ground while ruining the UK internationally.

Unfortunately the way 'seats' are carved up across the country anything could happen.
 
drdel said:
^^^ I really do hope you're right - a Labour Government with Corbyn at its helm with McDonnell alongside him, will screw the average Brit into the ground while ruining the UK internationally.

Unfortunately the way 'seats' are carved up across the country anything could happen.
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Where as with these intellectual and political heavyweights in charge all will be completely fine ;)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1157670470038298624
 
Hacker Khan said:
There will not be a Corbyn government, he has peaked and the Lib Dems will start to hoover up a few disaffected Labour voters now.
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We heard it here first....
...but forgive us for not taking your predictions as gospel! 😂🤣😁


Hacker Khan said:
I'll bet you a crisp tenner to be donated to the charity of my or your choice (I win, I chose the charity, you donate and vice versa if you win) that TMays deal is voted through before the end of March.
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IainP said:
We heard it here first....
...but forgive us for not taking your predictions as gospel! 😂🤣😁
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I'll doff my cap at the effort needed to dig that post out from all the pages. There's probably many others where I've took a punt and things have not worked out as predicted. Think I fancied Rory Stewart to be the tory leader at one stage.

Then again, on the bright side, if I am wrong again then the tories will be out of power so every cloud and all that.😉
 
Mudball said:
I am not restricting myself to LBC .. anyone on this forum changed their mind (based on facts) would be good enuf. I am a Remainer and would like us to stay .. equally I am bored and sick of the circus and so want us to leave - I don’t fancy the first year of pain
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There lies the problem for me.
FACTS I don’t belive anything either side says as a fact anymore.
Politicians are born with the gift of evading the truth.
 
Hacker Khan said:
There will not be a Corbyn government, he has peaked and the Lib Dems will start to hoover up a few disaffected Labour voters now.
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As a 60%, 20%, 20%, Labour, Cons, LibDems supporter hell will freeze over before I vote Labour again. In reality, if the loony left and the party became more centrist I'd seriously consider them. Equally, now having Residencia in Spain I can't vote in the UK anyway.
 
Hobbit said:
As a 60%, 20%, 20%, Labour, Cons, LibDems supporter hell will freeze over before I vote Labour again. In reality, if the loony left and the party became more centrist I'd seriously consider them. Equally, now having Residencia in Spain I can't vote in the UK anyway.
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The problem remains though, of how many genuine marginal seats are there? Where 'floaters' can have a real influence on the outcome...
 
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