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As I previously posted 5000 pages ago...for democracy to work the losing side must accept the result. Has that happened?
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As I previously posted 5000 pages ago...for democracy to work the losing side must accept the result. Has that happened?
Foxholer
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Let me put it to you slightly simply.....
Are they doing anything illegal? No! Then, under UK's version of 'democracy', they are simply using 'democratic privileges!
So No, it's not essential, in UK's version of democracy, that a 'losing side' needs to accept the result. There are, however, ways to force that result to apply - in spite of their lack of acceptance!
What should happen, imo, is that the 'authorities simply' ignore/reject their claims/requests/pleas - which is another legitimate feature of UK Democracy!
SocketRocket
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Twaddle !!!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well even if we are at the head of the queue of those looking for free trade deals with the US - things don't seem to be going that smoothly - with UK reluctance to bend the knee to US requests causing problems...from the Daily Telegraph two days ago
The documents seen by this newspaper reveal how negotiations with the US are forcing ministers and officials to confront the difficult choices of life outside the EU.
https://premium.telegraph.co.uk/new...di_Edi_New_Reg20190711&utm_campaign=DM1049294
But never mind. All will be OK when we have Mr Johnson as our new PM and a new Pro-Trump, Pro-Brexit Ambassador in place. The difficult choices will I assume become easy.
Or maybe they won't.
On reading this, and given the paucity of positive news in respect of new trade agreements coming from Dr Liam Fox, my opinion is that we were oversold the ease by which UK would be able to stand up new trade agreements ready for signing as soon as UK had left the EU, and that Project Fear was pretty darned right in predicting that it was never going too be that easy, and that when it came to the US - well - America First would hold sway.
And what did the Director General of the WTO say 4 days ago in respect of BJs plans for tariff free trade under WTO Gatt Article 24?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-gatt-24-article-eu-trade-leave-a8996001.html
Well - as I read it you've got to have a deal agreed up front before UK and EU jointly request continuance of tariff free trade between UK and the EU under that Article. And in my opinion that is not what we have been told endlessly by such as Rees-Mogg (he's gone a bit quiet these days); Digby Jones; Dave Davies; Marc Francois and the rest of the ERG
But let's see.
The documents seen by this newspaper reveal how negotiations with the US are forcing ministers and officials to confront the difficult choices of life outside the EU.
https://premium.telegraph.co.uk/new...di_Edi_New_Reg20190711&utm_campaign=DM1049294
But never mind. All will be OK when we have Mr Johnson as our new PM and a new Pro-Trump, Pro-Brexit Ambassador in place. The difficult choices will I assume become easy.
Or maybe they won't.
On reading this, and given the paucity of positive news in respect of new trade agreements coming from Dr Liam Fox, my opinion is that we were oversold the ease by which UK would be able to stand up new trade agreements ready for signing as soon as UK had left the EU, and that Project Fear was pretty darned right in predicting that it was never going too be that easy, and that when it came to the US - well - America First would hold sway.
And what did the Director General of the WTO say 4 days ago in respect of BJs plans for tariff free trade under WTO Gatt Article 24?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-gatt-24-article-eu-trade-leave-a8996001.html
Well - as I read it you've got to have a deal agreed up front before UK and EU jointly request continuance of tariff free trade between UK and the EU under that Article. And in my opinion that is not what we have been told endlessly by such as Rees-Mogg (he's gone a bit quiet these days); Digby Jones; Dave Davies; Marc Francois and the rest of the ERG
But let's see.
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Foxholer
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Oh the hypocrisy!
I'd kindly suggest you take your own advice!
SocketRocket
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Twaddle!!!Oh the hypocrisy!
I'd kindly suggest you take your own advice!
Foxholer
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SocketRocket
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Irritating isnt it. Maybe you can stop using it yourself old boy ☺
Foxholer
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I'll (contnue to) use it when it's appropriate.
Your use of it appears to be juvenile trolling - breaking Forum Rules!
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You need to read up on Gatt 24. There is lots room in it for a wide range of options. Other than that, your post is grit at the bottom of a bird cage.... did I misspell grit? Your current style of posting is poor. It is as confrontational as your previous style and adds very little to a constructive debate. ....kin grow a set and argue your point. Brexit is going to cause huge problems IF the EU really dig their heels in. The pound will undoubtably tank in the early days, around the insecurity of how trading will continue. In other words argue constructively or go and play with your toys.
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SocketRocket
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Fade and Die
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I was ruminating on a reply along the lines of losers consent, and the difference between sore losers and graceful losers and pointing out to the King nitpicker that what he has awkwardly explained as “democracy†has never happened before in the history of British politics but your answer was betterðŸ‘
Foxholer
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Er...Twaddle!
It has ALWAYS been that way - at least in UK's version of democracy! The way in which the Referendum was 'forced' upon Cameron is a perfect example!
Fade and Die
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So democratic votes have routinely been ignored by the losing side and the results not enacted eh? I must have missed that...
Tell me in a previous life did you used to write the clues on the quiz-show 3-2-1?
Kellfire
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It’s more like the quiz show Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? when the contest rigged it with falsehoods. Guess what happened to him...
Fade and Die
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Cough cough... no ideaðŸ˜
Kellfire
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Whoa. We just disagreed politically and made a joke about it. Is this a new dawn?! ðŸ˜
SocketRocket
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Cough cough, no idea!
Foxholer
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'Democracy' isn't just about referendums! But Yes, the potential has always been there for losers to 'pressurise' for another!
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I see no point in trying very hard, as pretty much everything and anything that is posted that does not point to post-Brexit No Deal sunny uplands is ignored or dismissed. Of course I hope that things are not as bad as they might be following a No Deal Brexit - and - contrary to what many Leave voters love to think and say about the rest of us - most Remain voters - myself included - do not believe it will be Armageddon - the end of the world. Of course it won't. But it might not be a bundle of laughs - and I still just don't get what we will get as compensation...
And the truth of it is that - unless I am really missing a lot - I am not hearing very much evidence these days coming from the government or lead Leavers that is hugely positive about how things are going to be so much better once we leave - well at least not for quite some undetermined length of time (50yrs if you believed Rees-Mogg). But hey ho. Out we go.
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