Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Very early in this mess you asked time and time again for compromise. May's deal is full of compromise, oodles of it. Add to that a number of other offers, e.g. on CAP controls/tariffs and a monitoring body with the ECJ being the final adjudicator, continued access on fishing, seamless border in Northern Ireland. And on EU banking access, not reciprocated. May herself spoke many times on finding a Brexit that satisfied Brexiteers and Remainers, and retaining significant synergy with the EU.
Just what has the EU offered? And bearing in mind the dangers the EU has readily acknowledged it will suffer just how far have they bent? You are right, they don't have to, but neither does the UK. Personally, I'd tell them to get stuffed. I'd happily go for a No Deal than accept May's sell-out. Leave and then negotiate, including the £39bn in that negotiation. I don't have a problem with the EU not bending on their 4x F's but the Good Friday Agreement isn't one of those F's, but you want to include it........
You've seen the links to the Beeb articles on the border controls before you left on your jaunt. You've seen the links to the Common Travel Area Agreement the UK has with Ireland before you went on your jaunt. You've never once acknowledged their validity, preferring to say "we've heard Leavers say..." Go and look for the AVCO report the EU Civil Servants produced in December. Go and look for the project the EU has long since started on seamless cross-border trade. And then come back and say the UK is wrong, if you dare... and if you do I'll call you a liar.
Yes the UK is leaving but the doesn't mean they have to doff their cap and touch their forelock. So where's your compromise? What are you willing to accept as part of a Leave deal? When will you accept both sides need to bend if there's to be an equitable deal. You came back full of resignation to BoJo and No Deal, but it hasn't taken you long to revert to the biased, blinkered UK wrong/EU golden zealot you were before.
spongebob59
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spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
So May never brought no deal to the table despite her ' No deal is better than bad deal ' mantra.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Amendment to a NI bill passed in HoC that may well prevent BJ proroguing parliament. Feels like PM BJ's first HoC defeat...
And the scale of the defeat on the amendment suggests PM BJ will have fun and games over a No Deal Brexit. At least he knows he has some Labour MPs on his side...
And the scale of the defeat on the amendment suggests PM BJ will have fun and games over a No Deal Brexit. At least he knows he has some Labour MPs on his side...
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Have we now reached a situation where Larry the Cat speaks more sense than the 2 people wanting to be the next PM? Funny old world.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Can you, or Larry the Cat, point us to the proof of the costs, or is this just more speculation?
If it’s on Twitter and bashes leaving the EU it must be true and you’ll be deemed a traitor for questioning it
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Assume Larry is referring to this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
The article, the third paragraph of which states that the scenario is based on assumptions; that article?
Earlier this month Philip Hammond said the cost would be £90bn. Hell of a difference between £30bn and £90bn. The hysteria is ramping up...
Both sides pluck those numbers out of the air. Total guess work and close to worthless. Didn't Osborne come out with similar guff for what would happen post vote?
chrisd
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BBC news saying a no deal will result in a £31b cost to the economy. Surely if we then keep the £39b we'll be £8b better off?
Foxholer
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Hammond's (Treasury) £90Bn specifies 'by 2035'. An incredibly long term, even for 'planners'. So not really realistic imo! There's no 'term' that I can see (happy to be informed of one) for the £30Bn estimate.
More 'disinformation' from Bojo though.... His Kipper story appears to be complete twaddle - for a couple of reasons! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49030873
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Thats right, he did and it was Twaddle 😉
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Hammonds prediction is over 15 years, not per year. However, the treasuries form on predictions is not exactly bulletproof.
jp5
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The lack of self-awareness is quite something 
SocketRocket
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Everything is something.The lack of self-awareness is quite something
Mudball
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Well Larry has got 9 lives... so i assume larry's figures of 30b will be within that term..
Watched a program about the whole sorry affair on TV last night, think it was the Beeb, TM aged about 20 years in the 3 years since she became PM.
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