Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ump-begins-second-day-of-state-visit-11734422

NHS part of a trade deal ?

Liam Fox had already said this morning that it wouldn't be on the table. He did go into a long winded explanation about why it couldn't be included, something to do with the legislation surrounding its initial formation meaning it would take changes in law to achieve it.

That said, its been getting sold off piecemeal since Labour went down the PFI route in the 90's/00's.

 

[ColchesterFC]

You do realise TM had only been PM 9 months when she called the last GE, so in 9 months you decided she was arguably the worst PM we’ve ever had?
It was the first GE he’d fought after becoming Labour Leader helped by all those tories pissing themselves when they joined the Labour Party to vote for him.
Is he a waste of space? yes, imo,
Do I wish Labour had someone else? Yes.
Is it his or Labour’s fault TM or the tory party are inept? No, absolutely not.

So we agree then. Corbyn and the Labour party are inept. TM and the Conservatives are a shambles. But these are two completely separate and unrelated facts.

 

[drdel]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ump-begins-second-day-of-state-visit-11734422

NHS part of a trade deal ?

No. It's about procurement of medicine etc not running the NHS

 

[Fade and Die]

Liam Fox had already said this morning that it wouldn't be on the table. He did go into a long winded explanation about why it couldn't be included, something to do with the legislation surrounding its initial formation meaning it would take changes in law to achieve it.

That said, its been getting sold off piecemeal since Labour went down the PFI route in the 90's/00's.

Guy on LBC was saying over the last 20 years more and more NHS jobs are subcontracted out to foreign companies, including hip replacement operations etc. Also the NHS often has to buy overpriced drugs from within the EU.
Not checked it out but looks like 9 billion was spent 2016/17 on the Private sector in England alone...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-44043959

 

[Swinglowandslow]

If you’re defending a homophobic rant because it was made a few years ago then you’re part of the problem, not the solution. Please GO AWAY.

I don't know if you have heard of Voltaire or not , but it seems clear you do not agree with his sentiment.

 

[Kellfire]

I don't know if you have heard of Voltaire or not , but it seems clear you do not agree with his sentiment.

Freedom of speech is not extended to everything and it takes a very particular type of crazy to believe it should.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So we agree then. Corbyn and the Labour party are inept. TM and the Conservatives are a shambles. But these are two completely separate and unrelated facts.

Sadly people like to link them together though as an excuse for Government failures.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

No. It's about procurement of medicine etc not running the NHS

It may not initially but there's only one way this will end up once there's "a deal "

Without the medicine the NHS doesn't function.

 

[SocketRocket]

It may not initially but there's only one way this will end up once there's "a deal "

Without the medicine the NHS doesn't function.

Why do you think the NHS wont get the medicines they need to function?

 

[SocketRocket]

Freedom of speech is not extended to everything and it takes a very particular type of crazy to believe it should.

Who decides where it is extended to?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Yes, I'm sure all the the Tory voting Brexiters on here would have been climbing over each other to sing his praises.

As has been said a million times, he's made a hash of Brexit with his lack of clarity and that has cost him. But as also been said a million times he is not in government, so it's not his job to ensure a process very much associated with the Tory party, that was created to appease the more hard right of said party, gets enacted. Yet again the theme of it always being someone else's fault emerges, the EU, Labour, [insert scapegoat here]....

As a Tory voting Brexiteer, I'd be more than happy to give him some credit if he managed to do what Madam May and her saboteurs failed to achieve.

 

[Kellfire]

Who decides where it is extended to?

In terms of what is legal? Law makers. Otherwise, fill your boots as it’s an opinion. It certainly isn’t Voltaire.

 

[SocketRocket]

In terms of what is legal? Law makers. Otherwise, fill your boots as it’s an opinion. It certainly isn’t Voltaire.

Are Law Makers never wrong?

 

[Kellfire]

Are Law Makers never wrong?

Of course they are. I was just answering your question. Sadly I don’t get to decide the law.

 

[IanM]

Hey Doon, what has been going on??? EU withholds giving us back a proportion of our own money

EU reckons irregularities in management of funds??? ............ pot/kettle irony overload!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Hey Doon, what has been going on??? EU withholds giving us back a proportion of our own money

EU reckons irregularities in management of funds??? ............ pot/kettle irony overload!

You must know the rules by now. It's bad news so it must be the fault of Westminster and the Conservatives. 😉

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You must know the rules by now. It's bad news so it must be the fault of Westminster and the Conservatives. 😉

Either them or the UK Party with the most MEP’s.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Hey Doon, what has been going on??? EU withholds giving us back a proportion of our own money

EU reckons irregularities in management of funds??? ............ pot/kettle irony overload!

Quoting the Broken Record ...…...did you see in the same issue the have The Rangers signing Sturridge for £120,000.00 per week

 

[Hacker Khan]

Really good article in Time magazine with the added bonus of pictures by the ever excellent Cold War Steve, including Cilla https://time.com/5601982/how-brexit-broke-britain/

 

[IanM]

The thing is, European Federalism has never been popular.... but the non stop barrage of pro EU messages designed to change this didn't actually work.. It's not just here either, Referenda in other countries would be really interesting.....as I found out when working in France.

Brexit didn't divide us, we were already divided by the morphing of a trading bloc into a full blown country without bothering to ask anyone if they approved. Listed to the multiple EU Presidents talking on the subject. The have stopped pretending now, but they must break Brexit or the rush for the door will be massive...

The genie is out of the bottle. Like the USSR... people eventually say "enough!"