Foxholer
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While I agree in principle, after a transition perod, Hobbit appears to reside in one, pay tax in another and work in neither!
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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ColchesterFC
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Surely the crap deal negotiated by May has to take some of the blame for Brexit so far not happening?
Foxholer
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Please explain how ERG Brexiteers 'scuppered' Brexit (not the PM). If she'd had any sense/diplomacy, she'd have convinced them that 'her way' was the best way to achieve their (primary) objective! I agree that DUP and Remain MPs were/are the main barrier to achieving the referendum result!
Foxholer
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There was never going to be any 'better' deal available! In fact, the 'deal' is not 'deal' at all - simply an exit agreement!
Fade and Die
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People vote the way they do for various reason, it's individual...not being disrespectful,but
some haven't gotta clue...why should they, most have more important things in their lives, trying
to bring up a couple kids as a single mother for instance, shes got no time for politics, but she's still gonna take a look around where she lives, see what she reckons are the problems
and vote simply on that....probably thinks the Irish border is a pub somewhere, but doesn't make
her any less entitled to have her say in a vote.
Then there's the likes of me and other guys and girls on here and elsewhere, who have the time or put the effort in do some digging...then vote.So every base is covered if you like, and we get a consensus...one that says we feel it's better if we leave the EU ...a Consensus of opinion that too many our MPs are refusing to
recognise.
some haven't gotta clue...why should they, most have more important things in their lives, trying
to bring up a couple kids as a single mother for instance, shes got no time for politics, but she's still gonna take a look around where she lives, see what she reckons are the problems
and vote simply on that....probably thinks the Irish border is a pub somewhere, but doesn't make
her any less entitled to have her say in a vote.
Then there's the likes of me and other guys and girls on here and elsewhere, who have the time or put the effort in do some digging...then vote.So every base is covered if you like, and we get a consensus...one that says we feel it's better if we leave the EU ...a Consensus of opinion that too many our MPs are refusing to
recognise.
Swinglowandslow
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Any comment on the the answer I gave you ref Leave Campaign?
Yes, the literature you have shown does make you right on the fact that it was said there would be a deal negotiated. I had missed that , so chalk one up to you😀
However, I do not believe that it was offered that the deal would have to be approved by the HoC. The whole point of a referendum is to bypass the HoC, it being thought too important a matter to leave to just them.
So, to bring the requirement for their approval of the deal was a weak and bad move.
I'll bet TM wishes she had ensured that the Government negotiated the deal with EU and implemented the result ,without taking any notice of that shower in Westminster .
If she had held uppermost in her mind that that was the purpose of a referendum, then she wouldn't be crying now.
Foxholer
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Re th bold bit...That was, rightly, enforced by both the High and Supreme Courts. So May had to convincent Parliament - an impossibe task!
Btw. The refrendum was not, initially deemed binding! And that's, partly, the problem! Had it been deemed binding, then Cabinet/the PM could well have used that as an argument for many of the 'maybe-s', though I doubt whether hardline Remainer MPs would have been persuaded!
SocketRocket
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Regarding your first point: 'No', I had reservations but honestly didn't understand how self serving and conniving they really are.
Regarding your second: Again 'No' I stand firm in the belief that the decision was made in the referendum and nothing has happened to change the outcome. No further referendum should be contemplated before the result of the first has been executed.
robinthehood
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Why are you asking me that?
Foxholer
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Presumably because the Irish (therefore EU) border is such a contentious issue!
robinthehood
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Yeah but what does it have to do with me? A very random out of the blue question
Foxholer
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H'mm! I'm unconvinced they are as you describe! I believe they simply have a different opinion and are determined, and in a position, to do what they think is right!
I agree! However, I'm also inclined to believe that some sort of 'compromise' (cop-out!) will happen whereby a further referendum (hopefully with Parliament's agreement that it will be binding) will be held to 'agree the deal'! Given the complete shambles that has followed the '1st' referendum, I would not be surprised if a 'Remain' result happened!
Foxholer
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But rather key to establishing borders(and their control)!
It just demonstrates why the 'deal' was difficult - and, imo, how the EU team used that aspect to great effect!
SocketRocket
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I can only reiterate that what many of them have done is to conive a way to thwart the outcome of the referendum. They had their opportunity to refute the referendum and to vote down article 50 being enacted. Their different opinion is self serving and conniving. If you disagree with this then that's your perogative.
They can’t be seen to say “we don’t agree with the public†so putting as many obstacles as possible in the way of leaving is the next best thing in their eyes then they can say “we tried to leave but xxxxx stopped usâ€
Foxholer
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No, I actually agree with you. But, as you and others have stated, and I agree, they are politicians - too often nasty, slimy creatures whose sole purpose seems to be self-promotian! But that's the nature of the job! Those who have morals and are in it for 'the greater good' seem to be (s)quashed either by the machine of their party or by the press as 'not <insert left/right as appropriate> wing' enough!
It seems to me that this whole 'exercise' has been an 'interesting' critique of politicians (and the press) in general! None of the participants have come out of this with any credit imo!
Taz
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Goves hat is in the ring.
One of his finer speeches
One of his finer speeches
Tashyboy
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Had a lovely chinky take away last night, three couples there. All British. One couple over from Malta where they now live. The guy works in the energy business, buying and selling energy. Anyway he has had meetings with Maltese commissioners in government etc etc. Anyway Tashyboy asked him a simple question. What's the Maltese thoughts on Brexit. He said " they are shaking there heads asking what the heck is going on in the UK". No differant than the rest of us here thinking the same. However he also said " don't think that leaving the EU will affect any trade between Malta and the U.K., nothing will change". He went onto say " don't get me wrong, Malta has very close connections with the U.K. Being part of the commonwealth, but why should it change anything, it would be foolish to, as would any country. Why would a country want to harm its trade".
robinthehood
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Casual racist slur aside, not sure I get your point .
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Hacker Khan
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So are you arguing that Brexit is a stupid thing to do as it will harm our trade? Or are we saying that an overheard conversion in a Chinese restaurant means we will still trade with Malta after we have Brexited? In which case I'll sleep easily at night now, knowing that my supply of Maltesers and falcons will not be impacted.
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