Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

Well as he is on the sex offenders register that will limit him to what jobs he will be able to carry out - he won’t be able to play professional football being on the register imo

Just like Phil says, limits his jobs

I believe he won’t be able to work in a job with access to the public as could be deemed access to under 18s (against his licence etc)

It’s if a footballer is deemed this or not.

An office job for example would be perfectly fine

However I suspect he is more than set up for life

I believe I read he had been buying property whilst inside to protect his wealth

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Can I translate that 2nd sentence from 'Negotiation-speak' for you......

Walls are being built!

There is no common ground/agreement about how to proceed!

Whilst I don't trust the words of any politician I particularly don't trust anything emanating from Keir Starmer, a metropolitan, champagne socialist of the worst kind.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

 

[Hobbit]

However that negates the entire rehabilitation process that our society is built upon

What if somebody gets a conviction for affray when in their 20s but turns their life around and goes into politics.. should they be banned?

We as a society are happy for people to be convicted of crimes but once out nobody wants to give people a second chance.. which then people get into a cycle of crime if they can’t put it behind them

Now not all crimes are the same.. for example Adam Johnson imo should never play footy again because his crime is too serious to play football again. On the other side if he needs money (not that I think he does) he should be able to work in an office away from kids

She’s been voted in at the moment. Until that changes her vote and presence there can’t be questioned

IMO, she shouldn't be in the HOC. In that respect I feel the rules need changing. She is, potentially, party to discussions, debates and information of a sensitive nature. For example, if there is a debate on the UK being involved in a conflict and the decision is to be made by the HOC, the Speaker may clear the public gallery because of the sensitive nature of the information that is to be discussed. Her conviction is for attempting to pervert the course of justice is a crime of dishonesty. (Have a read about how its viewed - it isn't a trivial crime because of the longstanding issues of future trust).

In plenty of sensitive jobs she wouldn't even get an interview because of her criminal record.

As for once you've done the time you should be able to return to whatever...that doesn't apply for a whole host of crimes. Just because someone has done the time it doesn't mean their crime is 'spent.'

If she wanted to set up a solicitor again, if she hasn't been disbarred, fine. Sitting in the House, no.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

IMO, she shouldn't be in the HOC. In that respect I feel the rules need changing. She is, potentially, party to discussions, debates and information of a sensitive nature. For example, if there is a debate on the UK being involved in a conflict and the decision is to be made by the HOC, the Speaker may clear the public gallery because of the sensitive nature of the information that is to be discussed. Her conviction is for attempting to pervert the course of justice is a crime of dishonesty. (Have a read about how its viewed - it isn't a trivial crime because of the longstanding issues of future trust).

In plenty of sensitive jobs she wouldn't even get an interview because of her criminal record.

As for once you've done the time you should be able to return to whatever...that doesn't apply for a whole host of crimes. Just because someone has done the time it doesn't mean their crime is 'spent.'

If she wanted to set up a solicitor again, if she hasn't been disbarred, fine. Sitting in the House, no.

Well JRM is constantly insider trading off his positions in the commons which is far more immoral

 

[BubbaP]

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For me what this shows is how poor the debate has become from both sides.
The tweet doesn't try to explain a point, and neither did your post (perhaps deliberately).
I find it hard to believe that should the UK actually leave, that anyone would think the 356 figure would drop to zero, but of course there will be wildly differing views on what it would drop.
Also, I would think some may argue the cause and effect, i.e. is the breakdown as it is because of the restrictions.
I do think proximity will be factor, but don't have a feel for how much.
Final thought, there wasn't a line for Europe (non EU).

 

[SocketRocket]

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I can spot the problem. That silly chart is suggesting we will not export to the EU if we leave it. Also, don't we sell anything to countries like India or Saudi. That's just playing games with reality.

 

[Hobbit]

Well JRM is constantly insider trading off his positions in the commons which is far more immoral

Has he been convicted or is it just something you're heard?

 

[Hobbit]

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Its this sort of spin and lies that don't do the Remain cause any favours at all.

UK exports to non-EU countries outstrip exports to EU countries by over £50bn.

The reality is the UK needs both, but lazy soundbites like the above are unintelligent.

 

[robinthehood]

Its this sort of spin and lies that don't do the Remain cause any favours at all.

UK exports to non-EU countries outstrip exports to EU countries by over £50bn.

The reality is the UK needs both, but lazy soundbites like the above are unintelligent.

Its pretty obvious the point he's making.

 

[Hobbit]

Its pretty obvious the point he's making.

What, is the difference between that rubbish you constantly post up about what is on the side of the bus and the rubbish he posted?

They are both pointless, right up until naive idiots fall for it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Its pretty obvious the point he's making.

Yes it is, a dodgy one.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well JRM is constantly insider trading off his positions in the commons which is far more immoral

Insider dealing is illegal. Are you accusing him of breaking the law?

 

[robinthehood]

What, is the difference between that rubbish you constantly post up about what is on the side of the bus and the rubbish he posted?

They are both pointless, right up until naive idiots fall for it.

And there it is, a fact a chart or whatever gets posted and the same old faces rush out to dismiss it with either with project fear or just a plain old insult. I guess if you don't see the underlying point in the tweet you really aren't the intelligent person you'd like us to believe you are.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

My grief LT is this. I honestly believe she should not of been allowed to vote. And in all honesty I never knew there were other convicted MPs in the HOP. There in lies a major problem for me. No one if convicted and serves a custodial sentance should set foot in the HOP. These people who pass the laws that govern this country are breaking them. She was caught speeding. Hands up those that have not been caught. But she then went on to try and get someone else to take the SP 30.
I totally agree that her constituents should be represented, or at least some of them. She is not the first and won't be the last to vote against her constituents wishes. That in itself, well don't set me off. But not only is she back in the HOP, she has shown no shame in what she has done.

I have no problem in her being removed from her job but then her constituents should have someone else to represent them. They should not be left without someone to speak for them.

She will be gone soon enough. Labour have chucked her out, she wont regain her seat, there is likely to be an election shortly. She is on borrowed time. She certainly doesn't come across as a likeable character so she won't be missed.

 

[Dando]

Its pretty obvious the point he's making.

He proving that his a bit of a *** as he saying that we won’t sell anything to the EU

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Insider dealing is illegal. Are you accusing him of breaking the law?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...jacob-rees-moggs-hard-brexit-erg-lobby-group/

Manipulating parliament from within.. whilst pocketing how much since brexit? All tax free ofc..

But ofc your hero is squeaky clean.

 

[Fish]

Technically she is representing them every time she makes a vote - she may not be representing their view or wishes but she is there casting the vote on behalf of them which ever way they vote

But she, along with many others had a mandate which they were voted in on as an individual and representative of a party, and as such were supported by their electorates. Many of those mandates (pledges) were said to be irrelevant of their personal beliefs and she, along with others, said they would respect the outcome of the ref as it was our one-off time to vote for something and they would uphold the decision and wouldn't try to block it or change it, but along with others, she, along with many others have now reneged on those pledges.

Both main parties have done irrevocable damage to themselves, so much so it's left the door wide open for mass voting to swing to UKIP and the Brexit Party, and if they were to merge, well, that could be interesting!

Self servicing white collar thieves the lot of them, in it for themselves only, nepotism at the highest order, I can't wait for the ballot boxes to open nationwide and see the walls crumble around most of them, but no doubt they'll be draining the expenses pot as much as they can first to get out what they can first, snouts so deep in the trough they've lost all sense of decency, honesty and integrity.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

He proving that his a bit of a *** as he saying that we won’t sell anything to the EU

That tweet shows the issue not my fault people don’t understand that they at the moment are more than all our other exports put together

Even a 20% fall in sales to them through brexit (not saying a complete no trade agreement) but say knock 20% off due to it becoming more difficult or any reason would damage our economy .. that would be over 70 billion wiped out just 20%... now put that in perspective .. 20% off that would be the same as knocking off 50% the rest of the world .. I don’t see the 20% being made up so easy ..

That’s why it’s so important

Any % knock off would be huge as they are our biggest customer

 

[BubbaP]

It isn't a tweet but might be worth a nosey
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-to-non-eu-countries-continue-to-outstrip-eu