Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

I think the Leavers (most if not all) have hardened up and want a no deal now.

I would hope not as that will mostly enhance the view for many that it is a purely ideological dogmatic pursuit not based on the reality of the economic situation and the impact it will have on many. I can completely buy leavers saying they want to leave because they feel that there is too much immigration so lets do a deal with the EU so we can leave and address that. Don't agree with it but can completely understand it.

But I like I imagine many remainers struggle to understand the desire to want to leave with no deal when you have organisations like the CBI and TUC issuing joint statements and the head of the civil service warning of the dire impacts of a no deal.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Totally false to suggest that those who voted Remain all did so for the same reason.

Some wanted increased control from the centre, some merely wanted to maintain the status quo whilst others, like myself, wanted to remain within a trading bloc but to turn the tide of creeping federalism.

And some quite liked the checks and balances and holding to account that the EU can do on increasingly ideologically based governments of both flavours. Not sure if that qualifies for more control from the centre or not?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Interesting piece this morning from the Economics Correspondent of The Guardian questioning the benefit of a Customs Union and showing how it is our trade with non-EU countries that has grown at the faster level for many years now.

Sorry but I am afraid that I am "technology illiterate" and unable to post a link.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

And some quite liked the checks and balances and holding to account that the EU can do on increasingly ideologically based governments of both flavours. Not sure if that qualifies for more control from the centre or not?

Which rather goes to prove my point.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seriously?? I know for most Tories, it would be a BIG stretch to vote for Labour or even Libs. i think they'd abstain. But the problem would be that the labour nutters following JC would come out in their hordes and they would get in big style.

Yes seriously
Do you really think people are going to be swayed by Corbyn and his shadow cabinet ? Labour are unelectable with Corbyn as the leader and people like Abbott and McDowell in his cabinet

 

[Slime]

"we can't get a no deal Brexit because Parliament won't let us" from a Tory (add expletive) seconds ago on R4.

Of course you can. Let everything ride then on April 12th No Deal automatically comes into effect.

 

[IanM]

And some quite liked the checks and balances and holding to account that the EU can do on increasingly ideologically based governments of both flavours. Not sure if that qualifies for more control from the centre or not?

Ah, "checks and balances" from an organisation that has behaved so ethincally for the past 60 years. (oh my, I bet I have too spell it out!)

 

[woofers]

So, Juncker, Tusk and co are saying that it looks increasingly likely that the UK will be leaving with No Deal, (possibly on the 12th April).
The UK Parliament have voted against leaving with No Deal.
Who decides the outcome ? If the deadline date is reached and a deal hasn't been agreed then surely the UK leaves without a deal, regardless of what Parliament have voted for?

 

[drdel]

I'm continually surprised by Carney et al who moan that a No Deal will be a massive problem yet he/they do not look at the dire state of the EU's finances. Italian debt has grown, so has Greece, Spain, and France's. Germany is 'officially' in negative growth. In addition the EU budget is et higher than any member's growth so adds to their debt. The ECB can't meet the IMF stress tests. The 'net taker' members are increasing their demands for funds for flashy infrastructure projects at a time when the UK can't even repair our existing roads

If the UK continues to be in the EU these additional costs and debt will lead to a proportionally higher contribution from UK taxpayers.

We really need to stop wittering about whose to blame in the UK and wake up to what is happening in the RoW and the disaster of an experiment in federalism that is Juncker's EU.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Didn't know whether to start a new thread or a poll or whatever...... But on the 2nd of may we're due to have local elections. Has all this affected how you'll vote and how do you see them panning out?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Didn't know whether to start a new thread or a poll or whatever...... But on the 2nd of may we're due to have local elections. Has all this affected how you'll vote and how do you see them panning out?

I would like to think most people are able to see a difference between what’s happening locally, nationally and globally.
Punishing your local councillor who may be doing a lot of good because of how an MP for your area or Parliament as a whole are behaving would be daft imo.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Didn't know whether to start a new thread or a poll or whatever...... But on the 2nd of may we're due to have local elections. Has all this affected how you'll vote and how do you see them panning out?

I genuinely vote on local issues in these elections so no. Equally, the local councillors around me stay well clear of national issues so that helps their cause.

 

[Crazyface]

"Indicative Votes" was voted down yesterday and yet they, Politics Live, are saying the government can bring them in next week. What the bluddy hell is going on?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

"Indicative Votes" was voted down yesterday and yet they, Politics Live, are saying the government can bring them in next week. What the bluddy hell is going on?

I'm not sure anyone quite knows.

I watch the news each night, the other week I watched coverage of parliament rolling news as it was genuinely interesting, but I do not get excited by any of it now. Each day is apparently critical or momentous but we are not moving forward in any way. I'll really take notice again when something genuinely happens but until then it is best to stay relaxed about it all.

Have you seen the video of Mark Francois (arch Brexiteer) last night in the commons close to exploding with anger. It was actually funny to watch. Good to see passion but I fear he has lost perspective. He needs to relieve the tension, take up golf

 

[woofers]

 

[Blue in Munich]

Didn't know whether to start a new thread or a poll or whatever...... But on the 2nd of may we're due to have local elections. Has all this affected how you'll vote and how do you see them panning out?

I would like to think most people are able to see a difference between what’s happening locally, nationally and globally.
Punishing your local councillor who may be doing a lot of good because of how an MP for your area or Parliament as a whole are behaving would be daft imo.

Agree with Paul on this one. A lot of my local Councillors are independent or residents' association, a couple of them I have 1 to 1 relationships with through work (and can be found discussing the day's football results on the train home ) so would view them completely differently to the shower in Westminster. Daft and harsh to punish them.

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113444483138347009

 

[Crazyface]

I'm not sure anyone quite knows.

I watch the news each night, the other week I watched coverage of parliament rolling news as it was genuinely interesting, but I do not get excited by any of it now. Each day is apparently critical or momentous but we are not moving forward in any way. I'll really take notice again when something genuinely happens but until then it is best to stay relaxed about it all.

Have you seen the video of Mark Francois (arch Brexiteer) last night in the commons close to exploding with anger. It was actually funny to watch. Good to see passion but I fear he has lost perspective. He needs to relieve the tension, take up golf

LOL !!! BOOM !

 

[Crazyface]

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She's EVIL ! Another lying MP! I hate her with every bone in my body!

 

[Crazyface]

Agree with Paul on this one. A lot of my local Councillors are independent or residents' association, a couple of them I have 1 to 1 relationships with through work (and can be found discussing the day's football results on the train home ) so would view them completely differently to the shower in Westminster. Daft and harsh to punish them.

Well mines witch, who does not live in my area, does sweet fanny adams for my area but is Labour and gets in by a country mile. Another one I hate. I've been argueing with her for 12 months to help out on an issue in my area and had done nowt visibly. I cannot wait for them to come knocking in a few weeks. I've got a few ideas regarding how I'd like to "punish" her..er that didn't come out right.