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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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pauldj42 said:
I would like to think most people are able to see a difference between what’s happening locally, nationally and globally.
Punishing your local councillor who may be doing a lot of good because of how an MP for your area or Parliament as a whole are behaving would be daft imo.
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I wish you were right but down here it is increasingly obvious that locally elected officials from parish right up to county are not following the wishes of the electorate. Take a look at planning as a starter for 10.
 
Hobbit said:
I love that question. I'd love to know how many people have read the agreement, and can say clause A/D/X is appalling. All those saying its a bad deal without reading it.... Mmm, says a lot.
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Indeed! I'm pretty certain that most folk don't even know what 'the deal' is - and isn't - about! I DID read much/most of it - and refered to an 'explanation' (by the good ol' Beeb I think) of what the overall consequences were. I need to refresh my memory though!

But I'm certain many are simply hearing the 'it's a bad deal'
pauldj42 said:
Fully and eloquently, probably not, I’ve relied on my own research and formed my own opinion from varying resources.

A few examples are as follows:
https://labour.org.uk/issues/six-reasons-theresa-mays-brexit-deal-bad-britain/





https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....mays-brexit-deal-is-terrible-for-the-u-k/amp/





https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ngle-market-customs-union-government-brussels





https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/why-we-must-reject-mays-deal/amp/

I normally find on this forum people tend to ask this sort of question when they’re either trying to belittle another poster or make themselves look clever.

Either way I believe the poster asking the question justs looks like an ass.
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Well done you then! At least you appear to have done research, something I believe many (most of my work colleagues, who still define it as a 'bad deal' for example) simply haven't done - yet pronounce it as a 'bad deal' anyway!
 
Old Skier said:
I wish you were right but down here it is increasingly obvious that locally elected officials from parish right up to county are not following the wishes of the electorate. Take a look at planning as a starter for 10.
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We have had a real issue with the council pretty much allowing a free for all in terms of planning. The damage they have done is obscene. There were council elections two years ago and the seemingly safe council was over turned, new people were voted in and normal order is being restored. A number of councillors stood on a platform of no new estates and were elected because of it. The existing approvals still have to go through, nothing can be done there, but the big new schemes are being turned down. Smaller ones, fine but the builders are no longer walking over the system and damaging the town. Look out in May for who opposes the new developments and put your cross there.

(before anyone shouts nimby, we had a plan for the number of new builds required for the area for the next 20yrs. Approval for that number was passed within 12 months and by 18 months in we were at an extra 50%. Not spread over 20yrs as stated but in one big up front hit :mad:. I get your anger Old Skier)
 
Crazyface said:
"Indicative Votes" was voted down yesterday and yet they, Politics Live, are saying the government can bring them in next week. What the bluddy hell is going on?
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It is called the May formula.

BTW 52% of UK population voted leave and the polls said 54% of the UK population supported of the war in Iraq.
Hindsight can be a wonderful thing.;)

Yesterday Labour lost a barrowload of votes by rejecting free movement.
Today that horrible excuse of a man Lord Forsyth talks down no vote in the HofLords and the Tories will lose a shedful of votes.
Are these numpties deliberately trying not to be elected next GE.
 
pauljames87 said:
If we had a leave parliament we would be gone
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But the question is.....'Why do we have so many that, in spite of confirming that they would accept the Referendum result, is there NOT a 'Leave' parliament?'? And that applies to Labour's leadership as well - who 'use the whip' in spite of committing to honour the result. It would probably apply to Tories too, but I believe so many would defy that process that it hasn't been used (much).
 
adam6177 said:
Didn't know whether to start a new thread or a poll or whatever...... But on the 2nd of may we're due to have local elections. Has all this affected how you'll vote and how do you see them panning out?
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Our area was once a Tory stronghold, in the last 20 years it has been more or less an equal 3 way split.
Latest elections has seen the Labour vote squeezed so probably working towards a straight SNP v Tory fight.
I have a fair idea how that will pan out next election.:love:
 
Foxholer said:
But the question is.....'Why do we have so many that, in spite of confirming that they would accept the Referendum result, is there NOT a 'Leave' parliament?'? And that applies to Labour's leadership as well - who 'use the whip' in spite of committing to honour the result. It would probably apply to Tories too, but I believe so many would defy that process that it hasn't been used (much).
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Maybe they know the truth that is going to screw us over
 
Dear Theresa May (and the rest of Parliament),

While you are all busy doing your best to **** up Brexit I'm watching DIY SOS, where a guy that spent 20 years serving this country in the armed forces, and got injured doing so, is now relying on a TV show and the good will of the local community to provide a home that is fit for purpose.

How about you all take your head out of your collective arses, get on with running this country, take care of those who deserve our help and actually do the job that you're being paid (by us) to do.

Yours sincerely,
A Taxpayer
 
So the heavens poured on the confused soles in parliament today, tried to wash them away but like all rats they left the sinking ship. While they're out change the locks, start a fire or restock gunpowder in the cellar. I mean how bad could it be without them? I'm sure some 16 year old kid could make a computer program that was possible of making better decisions in seconds and wouldn't need second homes, massive expense bills and endless big pay increases.
 
Greetings dear forummers one and all from Alice Springs - half way through our Travels - and today it’s 32deg hot.

And so how are things going with Brexit. Everyone happy? All going to the plan some here assured me was in place for triggering of art 50 and the negotiations to get the excellent deal the EU needed with us. All risks and issues had been identified and mitigation’s and contingencies in place? Just in case the unthinkable happened and the German car industry didn’t come galloping over the hill etc etc. I don’t think so. And no mention back then of No Deal being what everyone voted for. Oh no - a great trade deal had been promised by the leave campaign and it was only time before the EU would acquiesce - cave in under pressure from EU agricultaure and industry.

And then I recall how often I was told that it was naive of me to expect to be told anything much at all about strategy, plans, risk management etc - oh no - too sensitive dear fellow - it would give away our negotiation strategy; that the negotiating genius that was Dave Davies had it all under control. Well hasn’t that strategy worked well.

We have spoken to many, many people from the EU and over the world about Brexit over the last 2 months and as a body they cannot believe what we are doing, and even then the mess we are making of it. Nobody seems to think it sensible and all from EU27 are sad about what we are doing. Aside - I listened to the lead presenter on the daily Late night newspaper review on ABC refer to our strategy and agreement as ‘garbage’ - I smiled that she described it as she saw it - but how very dare she... 😂

Ah well. That’s enough from me for a while - sad to see that the usual suspects have found alternative targets here for their superiority and dismissals - just glad to be out of it and watching from the side.

Off to Darwin in 5 hrs, then North Queensland coast until early May.

Btw - if they are not on your bucket list get Uluru and Kata Tjuta on it right away. If you can getout here they are with the effort. Just awesome.

And I have even managed four rounds whilst on our Travels :)

Have fun

Hogie/SILH
 
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Slime said:
I hoped it would be his resignation. :(
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Now now, live and let live. Leavers had this and it's predecessing thread swamped for a long time with much mob goading of remainers/remoaners, things have evened out more recently with a better balance of argument from several newer contributors on both sides imo. SILHs contributions are as valid as anyone else's and he ploughed something of a lone furrow for quite a long time asking salient questions leavers couldn't answer. Seems a lot of what he said has come to be shown correct.
 
maxfli65 said:
Now now, live and let live. Leavers had this and it's predecessing thread swamped for a long time with much mob goading of remainers/remoaners, things have evened out more recently with a better balance of argument from several newer contributors on both sides imo. SILHs contributions are as valid as anyone else's and he ploughed something of a lone furrow for quite a long time asking salient questions leavers couldn't answer. Seems a lot of what he said has come to be shown correct.
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Leavers always admitt that there were questions that couldn't be answered and remainers also failed to answer questions on the future of the EU so let's call that a no score draw.

I also think you would find if you could get to the original thread the goading and insults originally came from the remain side however that is water under the bridge, a bit like Brexit by the look of things.
 
Old Skier said:
Leavers always admitt that there were questions that couldn't be answered and remainers also failed to answer questions on the future of the EU so let's call that a no score draw.

I also think you would find if you could get to the original thread the goading and insults originally came from the remain side however that is water under the bridge, a bit like Brexit by the look of things.
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Every cloud.... ;)

I rashly made a bet that I lost that TMay would get her deal through, and still think she will get some form of deal through. However the idea currently muted that we can cancel participation in the the EU elections literally the day before if we pass the deal sounds a bit bonkers.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Greetings dear forummers one and all from Alice Springs - half way through our Travels - and today it’s 32deg hot.

And so how are things going with Brexit. Everyone happy? All going to the plan some here assured me was in place for triggering of art 50 and the negotiations to get the excellent deal the EU needed with us. All risks and issues had been identified and mitigation’s and contingencies in place? Just in case the unthinkable happened and the German car industry didn’t come galloping over the hill etc etc. I don’t think so. And no mention back then of No Deal being what everyone voted for. Oh no - a great trade deal had been promised by the leave campaign and it was only time before the EU would acquiesce - cave in under pressure from EU agricultaure and industry.

And then I recall how often I was told that it was naive of me to expect to be told anything much at all about strategy, plans, risk management etc - oh no - too sensitive dear fellow - it would give away our negotiation strategy; that the negotiating genius that was Dave Davies had it all under control. Well hasn’t that strategy worked well.

We have spoken to many, many people from the EU and over the world about Brexit over the last 2 months and as a body they cannot believe what we are doing, and even then the mess we are making of it. Nobody seems to think it sensible and all from EU27 are sad about what we are doing. Aside - I listened to the lead presenter on the daily Late night newspaper review on ABC refer to our strategy and agreement as ‘garbage’ - I smiled that she described it as she saw it - but how very dare she... 😂

Ah well. That’s enough from me for a while - sad to see that the usual suspects have found alternative targets here for their superiority and dismissals - just glad to be out of it and watching from the side.

Off to Darwin in 5 hrs, then North Queensland coast until early May.

Btw - if they are not on your bucket list get Uluru and Kata Tjuta on it right away. If you can getout here they are with the effort. Just awesome.

And I have even managed four rounds whilst on our Travels :)

Have fun

Hogie/SILH
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Glad you're having a nice sabbatical. Please dont hurry back, were managing just fine 😉
 
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