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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Do you seriously think that the Remain campaign’s continual rallies and marches haven’t given the MP’s justification; had there not been this public outcry they would have found it much harder to act as they have.
No because the public outcry has given MPs, who only have there own agenda a reason to push this further then required. Do you think all Remain MPs are squabbling over Joe publics interests. If they were maybe they might just think about the majority of people that voted leave and the majority of regions that voted leave.
 
"we can't get a no deal Brexit because Parliament won't let us" from a Tory (add expletive) seconds ago on R4.

Of course you can. Let everything ride then on April 12th No Deal automatically comes into effect.
 
Do you seriously think that the Remain campaign’s continual rallies and marches haven’t given the MP’s justification; had there not been this public outcry they would have found it much harder to act as they have.

You mean they are listening to the will of the people? Damn you democracy...
 
TM, with her actions this month, will have almost destroyed the Tory party. If there was an Gen elec tomorrow, their vote would collapse.

And vote for who instead ?

If there was a Gen Election tomorrow then the tories would still get more seats , no other party has enough support the UK and certainly not Labour
 
Do you seriously think that the Remain campaign’s continual rallies and marches haven’t given the MP’s justification; had there not been this public outcry they would have found it much harder to act as they have.

I think people give too much credit to the Remainers for the state of affair. I admit that all Remainers want the same thing (something called Remain) while Leavers have different reason and flavour of Leave that they want... However, dont blame the people, it is the MPs that vote. And MPs vote the way they or party want to rather than what they think is good for constituency/country. 'Remain MPs' are as influenced by their constituency votes as the 'Leave MPs'. Rees-Mogg and BoJo constituency voted Remain, but they both are the most hardliners.. I am sure there are examples on the Remain side. So the basic rule - People dont ruin Brexshit gravy train, Parties do..
 
You mean they are listening to the will of the people? Damn you democracy...

They're listening to a vocal minority; the will of the people was asked, and the people answered, via the Referendum. The same Referendum which they promised to honour the result of, and which they are trying every means to weasel out of.
 
And vote for who instead ?

If there was a Gen Election tomorrow then the tories would still get more seats , no other party has enough support the UK and certainly not Labour


Seriously?? I know for most Tories, it would be a BIG stretch to vote for Labour or even Libs. i think they'd abstain. But the problem would be that the labour nutters following JC would come out in their hordes and they would get in big style.
 
I think people give too much credit to the Remainers for the state of affair. I admit that all Remainers want the same thing (something called Remain) while Leavers have different reason and flavour of Leave that they want... However, dont blame the people, it is the MPs that vote. And MPs vote the way they or party want to rather than what they think is good for constituency/country. 'Remain MPs' are as influenced by their constituency votes as the 'Leave MPs'. Rees-Mogg and BoJo constituency voted Remain, but they both are the most hardliners.. I am sure there are examples on the Remain side. So the basic rule - People dont ruin Brexshit gravy train, Parties do..

I think the Leavers (most if not all) have hardened up and want a no deal now.
 
They're listening to a vocal minority; the will of the people was asked, and the people answered, via the Referendum. The same Referendum which they promised to honour the result of, and which they are trying every means to weasel out of.

As TMay has been doing with the ERG. The will of parliament was asked, and parliament answered, via the votes. The same votes that set the laws in this country. ;)

Look, as I've always said people can make statements regarding democracy and will of the people depending on how that will enhance their argument. You are right, I am right, none makes the other wrong, it's just a mater of opinion. At the end of the day parliament are the only body that have to make a legally binding decision based on their opinions.
 
Seriously?? I know for most Tories, it would be a BIG stretch to vote for Labour or even Libs. i think they'd abstain. But the problem would be that the labour nutters following JC would come out in their hordes and they would get in big style.
Previous labour landslides suggest thats not the case. Although corbyn will put many off
 
As TMay has been doing with the ERG. The will of parliament was asked, and parliament answered, via the votes. The same votes that set the laws in this country. ;)

Look, as I've always said people can make statements regarding democracy and will of the people depending on how that will enhance their argument. You are right, I am right, none makes the other wrong, it's just a mater of opinion. At the end of the day parliament are the only body that have to make a legally binding decision based on their opinions.


And sadly I have a strong suspicion that their opinions depend far more on their personal interests than the interests of the public they were elected to represent.
 
I think people give too much credit to the Remainers for the state of affair. I admit that all Remainers want the same thing (something called Remain) while Leavers have different reason and flavour of Leave that they want... However, dont blame the people, it is the MPs that vote. And MPs vote the way they or party want to rather than what they think is good for constituency/country. 'Remain MPs' are as influenced by their constituency votes as the 'Leave MPs'. Rees-Mogg and BoJo constituency voted Remain, but they both are the most hardliners.. I am sure there are examples on the Remain side. So the basic rule - People dont ruin Brexshit gravy train, Parties do..

Totally false to suggest that those who voted Remain all did so for the same reason.

Some wanted increased control from the centre, some merely wanted to maintain the status quo whilst others, like myself, wanted to remain within a trading bloc but to turn the tide of creeping federalism.
 
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