Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Lord Tyrion]

Whether in or out of the EU the UK car manufacturing industry has agreed to manufacture to EU standards.

Absolutely, although the UK car mfr industry is largely made up of overseas owned mfrs so it is a mixture of EU govts and global mfrs that have come to this decision. The UK could also block this if they wish but they don't seem willing to. I find it bizarre that this could get through.

 

[Crazyface]

Agree with that, but not this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415

Yeah, that will be fun, flicking the v's at motorists stuck doing 70 on the motorway as I flash past in my 15 year old Mazda doing 90. LOL LOL LOL!!!!! (Joke. will I have to put this everytime?)

 

[Crazyface]

Absolutely, although the UK car mfr industry is largely made up of overseas owned mfrs so it is a mixture of EU govts and global mfrs that have come to this decision. The UK could also block this if they wish but they don't seem willing to. I find it bizarre that this could get through.

Safety wise it's a good idea. but travel wise....OMG NO. What when your car's system fails as well. Stuck doing 30mph on the motorway. OMG.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

"The European Commission - in charge of drafting EU legislation - made the proposal last year, after a public consultation which showed 84% of respondents wanting to scrap the biannual clock changes. There were 4.6 million replies in that consultation, 70% of which were from Germans. "

Scary thing is, 70% of respondents were GERMANS. And so it begins.........

I was one of the 84%. I bonded with our German friends over beer, pork and clocks , maybe a little lederhosen as well

 

[Hobbit]

"The European Commission - in charge of drafting EU legislation - made the proposal last year, after a public consultation which showed 84% of respondents wanting to scrap the biannual clock changes. There were 4.6 million replies in that consultation, 70% of which were from Germans. "

Scary thing is, 70% of respondents were GERMANS. And so it begins.........

What has Germans got to do with it?

I wonder how many UK citizens have signed up to the EU's website for public consultations? I receive an email/consultation about every couple of months. I also receive the results of the consultations and surveys conducted by the EU. In some cases the questions and the results aren't favourable to the EU but they still ask the questions and still post the results.

Maybe some country's citizens are better in tune with the EU than those in the UK.

How many public consultations does the UK government conduct?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Agree with that, but not this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415

Eh! Surely something that can save lives can only be a good thing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Safety wise it's a good idea. but travel wise....OMG NO. What when your car's system fails as well. Stuck doing 30mph on the motorway. OMG.

I've got doubts about the safety aspect. Quite often you need to floor it to get out of a bad situation. Not do 100mph but 5-10mph over the limit quickly can stop a crash.

From a practical point of view, driving on the single carriageway A1 and A69 very regularly there are times when the only way to safely overtake a car doing 45-50mph in a 60 zone is to go past at 65-70mph. Keeping to 60 would not get you past in time safely. If these limits come in there will either be more crashes as the manouvre doesn't complete or huge snaking traffic queues with severe road rage.

I can see a big spike in car sales before this date as people try to avoid getting cars with limiters on.

 

[USER1999]

Safety wise it's a good idea. but travel wise....OMG NO. What when your car's system fails as well. Stuck doing 30mph on the motorway. OMG.

But there will be the facility to turn it off. So most who would not speed anyway carry on, and thise who drive like loonies will turn it off. It will achieve nothing.
Automatic collision avoidance breaking, yes, I can see the point, snd you won't be able to turn this off.

 

[Dando]

I'm sat watching Sky news who are interviewing Michael Fabricant and cant stop staring at his "hair." I'm sure I just heard it meow

 

[Hobbit]

I've got doubts about the safety aspect. Quite often you need to floor it to get out of a bad situation. Not do 100mph but 5-10mph over the limit quickly can stop a crash.

From a practical point of view, driving on the single carriageway A1 and A69 very regularly there are times when the only way to safely overtake a car doing 45-50mph in a 60 zone is to go past at 65-70mph. Keeping to 60 would not get you past in time safely. If these limits come in there will either be more crashes as the manouvre doesn't complete or huge snaking traffic queues with severe road rage.

I can see a big spike in car sales before this date as people try to avoid getting cars with limiters on.

When I did my advanced motorcycling course with the Police I got a radio message and in the debriefing saying you should speed to overtake things like tractors and lorries.

 

[Crazyface]

What has Germans got to do with it?

I wonder how many UK citizens have signed up to the EU's website for public consultations? I receive an email/consultation about every couple of months. I also receive the results of the consultations and surveys conducted by the EU. In some cases the questions and the results aren't favourable to the EU but they still ask the questions and still post the results.

Maybe some country's citizens are better in tune with the EU than those in the UK.

How many public consultations does the UK government conduct?

70% of those responding were Germans, that's what.

+ how do you sign up for these EU consultation? .......not that it'll matter, hopefully, soon.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Have they said how it will actually work? Presumably there has to be a signal from the road to the car to let the car know what the speed limit is? Is that done by GPS or do the roads all need upgrading to be Smart?

 

[Hobbit]

70% of those responding were Germans, that's what.

+ how do you sign up for these EU consultation? .......not that it'll matter, hopefully, soon.

And your point? Is there one or are you being xenophobic?

 

[Crazyface]

I've got doubts about the safety aspect. Quite often you need to floor it to get out of a bad situation. Not do 100mph but 5-10mph over the limit quickly can stop a crash.

From a practical point of view, driving on the single carriageway A1 and A69 very regularly there are times when the only way to safely overtake a car doing 45-50mph in a 60 zone is to go past at 65-70mph. Keeping to 60 would not get you past in time safely. If these limits come in there will either be more crashes as the manouvre doesn't complete or huge snaking traffic queues with severe road rage.

I can see a big spike in car sales before this date as people try to avoid getting cars with limiters on.

Agreed, but when in a built up area the car will enforce the speed limit, so making it safer...in theory.

 

[USER1999]

Have they said how it will actually work? Presumably there has to be a signal from the road to the car to let the car know what the speed limit is? Is that done by GPS or do the roads all need upgrading to be Smart?

My car already 'reads' road signs, and can display the last one seen on the dash. That said, gps would be more than adequate.

 

[Crazyface]

And your point? Is there one or are you being xenophobic?

Just finding it odd that 70% etc etc. Where were the other countries respondents? That is if the other countries got a say in this? Just pointing out what was pointed out in the report. Is this something we need to be aware of. Mind you if they voted for the daylight to be in the evening, crack on!

 

[Crazyface]

My car already 'reads' road signs, and can display the last one seen on the dash. That said, gps would be more than adequate.

And link this to the accelerator pedal. job done.

 

[Crazyface]

But there will be the facility to turn it off. So most who would not speed anyway carry on, and thise who drive like loonies will turn it off. It will achieve nothing.
Automatic collision avoidance breaking, yes, I can see the point, snd you won't be able to turn this off.

So what's the point?

 

[bluewolf]

Have they said how it will actually work? Presumably there has to be a signal from the road to the car to let the car know what the speed limit is? Is that done by GPS or do the roads all need upgrading to be Smart?

(Thread ban off as it's f all to do with Brexit)

Did you actually read the article?
There's an explanation of how it will work. Temp overrides are allowable just by pressing the accelerator. This is designed for exactly that situation.
GPS will recognise the road you're on and a camera in the car can read road signs.. Simple..

Also, I'm more than a bit interested in certain individuals apparent distrust of Germans.. If anyone wants to discuss it with me then I'll happily PM you my address and you can explain it in person

(Thread ban back on again as it's much funnier just reading it.)

 

[Hobbit]

Just finding it odd that 70% etc etc. Where were the other countries respondents? That is if the other countries got a say in this? Just pointing out what was pointed out in the report. Is this something we need to be aware of. Mind you if they voted for the daylight to be in the evening, crack on!

You're coming across a little paranoid. You're suggesting something without going and looking for answers.

If you want the info on EU public consultations go to their website and sign up. You will also find the results of public consultations and surveys going back years. Its all out there, you've just got to have an interest in it.