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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Fade and Die said:
Can one of the democracy deniers please explain what they don’t agree with in this statement?
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Don’t disagree... apparently it was responded by a group of 11 cross party MPs. Can I ask why May does not get those 11 to work together to deliver Breakfast rather than pandering to the Tory far right agenda. Is she trying to prove she is part of the Eton brigade ?
 
Well, latest statement from those that run the EU once again showed their lack of understanding or the difference about being in the EU or being European. Also seems that the EU are only interested in supporting the minority that signed the petition and went on a stroll rather than the majority vote that took part in the referendum.
 
Rees-Moggs quote

'Theresa May's deal is a bad one, it does not deliver on the promises made in the Tory Party manifesto and its negotiation was a failure of statesmanship... [but] all the other potential outcomes are worse." '

At what stage do you stop to think, is it actually worth doing it then? Completely get that 17.4 million voted for some form of Brexit, but what does it say about us if the deal we will get is universally loathed by most people but the other options are even worse? Is this not just us accepting some absolute crap because the alternative is extra absolute crap. Understand that this happens a lot in politics and there's no such thing as a perfect deal, but it's the biggest decision this country has made in decades and it's hardly a footing for a great new future if we are accepting some garbage withdrawal agreement. The employers and employees representatives all agree a no deal would be a disaster and if we screw up that then we are royally screwed, blue passports or not. So must admit I am coming round to the idea of postponing it for a year or so and trying again with a new lot running the negotiations and ideally new people at the top of both parties.
 
Old Skier said:
Well, latest statement from those that run the EU once again showed their lack of understanding or the difference about being in the EU or being European. Also seems that the EU are only interested in supporting the minority that signed the petition and went on a stroll rather than the majority vote that took part in the referendum.
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Could you put links or quotes please so we can understand what you are commenting on?
 
I'm happy for remainers to partition to join the EU as long as they are willing to wait for a 10 year period before taking any action.

That gives some time to see who is right about leaving the EU as nobody can give an answer from either side and it will also give us time to see if the EU does push more to a Federal Europe or indeed is around at all.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Rees-Moggs quote

'Theresa May's deal is a bad one, it does not deliver on the promises made in the Tory Party manifesto and its negotiation was a failure of statesmanship... [but] all the other potential outcomes are worse." '

At what stage do you stop to think, is it actually worth doing it then? Completely get that 17.4 million voted for some form of Brexit, but what does it say about us if the deal we will get is universally loathed by most people but the other options are even worse? Is this not just us accepting some absolute crap because the alternative is extra absolute crap. Understand that this happens a lot in politics and there's no such thing as a perfect deal, but it's the biggest decision this country has made in decades and it's hardly a footing for a great new future if we are accepting some garbage withdrawal agreement. The employers and employees representatives all agree a no deal would be a disaster and if we screw up that then we are royally screwed, blue passports or not. So must admit I am coming round to the idea of postponing it for a year or so and trying again with a new lot running the negotiations and ideally new people at the top of both parties.
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One of the potential worse outcomes is remain?
 
Kellfire said:
You didn’t say menu. You said ordered.

I really think you must be a child pretending to be an adult, such is the low level of your comprehension of complex concepts and even highlighted by your pathetic grasp of similes. You’re doing the leave campaign no favours to convince us remainers that you aren’t ignorant “gammons”.
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Oh, the irony.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Agree with that, but not this :eek::eek:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415
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"The European Commission - in charge of drafting EU legislation - made the proposal last year, after a public consultation which showed 84% of respondents wanting to scrap the biannual clock changes. There were 4.6 million replies in that consultation, 70% of which were from Germans. "

Scary thing is, 70% of respondents were GERMANS. And so it begins.........
 
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