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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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I did enjoy the SNP guy in the Commons yesterday saying that the indicative votes should be made binding as "if our votes don't count we might as well all go home" while at the same time his party is in favour of overturning the referendum result meaning that the votes of 17.4 million people in the UK wouldn't count.

What about the 30 Tory MPs who defeated May yesterday, 3 of them resigning their ministerial roles. Talented (and principled) people apparently. Do they not get a mention? Or is it just the nasty SNP? At least they're consistent with their view and your SNP man is after all representing his and all constituency Brexit views (by majority) up here the best he can, that's his job.

If you want your referendum majority to prevail you need the Tory Government to enact it.......except they can't or won't. Blame them.

Tory issue, Tory Government, Tory problem.
 
What about the 30 Tory MPs who defeated May yesterday, 3 of them resigning their ministerial roles. Talented (and principled) people apparently. Do they not get a mention? Or is it just the nasty SNP? At least they're consistent with their view and your SNP man is after all representing his and all constituency Brexit views (by majority) up here the best he can, that's his job.

If you want your referendum majority to prevail you need the Tory Government to enact it.......except they can't or won't. Blame them.

Tory issue, Tory Government, Tory problem.

Have to agree with that and I am a Tory voter. A brexit deal was on the table but it was not extreme enough for certain elements of the party who felt that they could push the country into a no deal scenario. That has not panned out and, in fact, gone the other way to looking like a softer brexit if any at all. Now they are all starting to extoll the virtues of the deal on the table. Sadly they are all in it for themselves, the referendum is an irrelevance.
 
I see Mr Rees Mogg wants to change his mind and vote again for a deal that will make us a "slave state" :eek:

Sounds like DUP won't though, So maybe he has gone against everything he said thus losing any credibility he ever had in the minds of the easily deluded for nothing. Shame. ;)
 
Yea but that's not really the same thing.

One is a group of people tasked with doing the best for the country. It's literally their job.

The other was a group of people who were ignorant to the potential outcome of their actions. It's not their job and we don't have operate in a system whereby the public decide governmental actions
We do, it's called a party manifesto and it is what we use to decide who we want to vote for. The problem is that a lot of those promises are conveniently 'forgotten' about once the party gets elected.
 
The interesting, but not much reported, press release this week was that the TUC and the CBI both agreed that a no deal brexit was good for nobody. Here you have 2 groups that never see eye to eye, representing totally different areas of the economy saying no deal was a bad thing. So, if it is not good for companies and not good for workers, who is it actually good for.
 
We do, it's called a party manifesto and it is what we use to decide who we want to vote for. The problem is that a lot of those promises are conveniently 'forgotten' about once the party gets elected.

A manifesto is not a legally binding document, much like the brexit referendum. Again, it's ignorance from voters that drive these expectations.
 
A manifesto is not a legally binding document, much like the brexit referendum. Again, it's ignorance from voters that drive these expectations.
Ironically May is getting all the grief but she is the only one saying that she will only support options that are in keeping with the Tory manifesto
 
The interesting, but not much reported, press release this week was that the TUC and the CBI both agreed that a no deal brexit was good for nobody. Here you have 2 groups that never see eye to eye, representing totally different areas of the economy saying no deal was a bad thing. So, if it is not good for companies and not good for workers, who is it actually good for.

Absolutely nothing, say it again, huh....

I did see this but put it down as ill informed scaremongering from project fear. After all what do the organisations that are there to forwards the interests of employers and employees know about employing people?????
 
New multi million pound deals 'proposed' for Belfast and Londonderry.
This cash for votes Tory government seem to be lacking in any form of moral fibre.
Taking us back to the politics of the 18th century.
 
New multi million pound deals 'proposed' for Belfast and Londonderry.
This cash for votes Tory government seem to be lacking in any form of moral fibre.
Taking us back to the politics of the 18th century.

Where did you see this news? I am not at all amazed at how low this is stooped to.. I think i mentioned this 'cash for favours' would happen a few pages ago.
 
A manifesto is not a legally binding document, much like the brexit referendum. Again, it's ignorance from voters that drive these expectations.
Thats an odd way to look at it. If you ordered a Steak and Chips in a restaurant and the waiter brought you an omelette and garnish would you be happy if they told you the menu wasn't legal.
 
The interesting, but not much reported, press release this week was that the TUC and the CBI both agreed that a no deal brexit was good for nobody. Here you have 2 groups that never see eye to eye, representing totally different areas of the economy saying no deal was a bad thing. So, if it is not good for companies and not good for workers, who is it actually good for.
Nobody!

Which is why 'deals' will rapidly be made should this happen!
 
Thats an odd way to look at it. If you ordered a Steak and Chips in a restaurant and the waiter brought you an omelette and garnish would you be happy if they told you the menu wasn't legal.

if the menu wasn't legal and say they were serving horse steak then I'd quite like to get an omelette instead. And can I have chips with the omelette instead of garnish? Proper thick cut British chips, none of your French fries rubbish.
 
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Tory issue, Tory Government, Tory problem.
Certainly a Tory issue and with a Tory government voted in, it's indeed a Tory problem. But had Labour been voted in at either subsequent election, it would have been their problem - and they'd have had the same problems implementing the Referendum's result imo!

Perhaps a 'good election to lose', though Corbyn is still unelectable imo!
 
A manifesto is not a legally binding document, much like the brexit referendum. Again, it's ignorance from voters that drive these expectations.
Nobody said it was a legally binding document. And it's not ignorance by voters, it's lies from politicians.
 
Thats an odd way to look at it. If you ordered a Steak and Chips in a restaurant and the waiter brought you an omelette and garnish would you be happy if they told you the menu wasn't legal.

I would be entering a legal contract whereby I am entitled to steak and chips.

A manifesto is not a legal contract.

Thanks for highlighting my point. You’re maybe finally getting this!
 
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