Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[IanM]

I've typed that in google and genuinely do not know what you are referring to.

I linked it on here a few days ago.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Has anyone found their view on the whole brexit subject has affected their lives /relationships?

I ask as I work in the city for a financial firm which is being impacted by brexit. Of the 100+ employees I know of only 3 people (myself included) that voted leave, everyone else is strongly remain and very vocal about it.... Some in the office have taken time to talk to me about my view and we have had good exchanges on the pros and cons of the scenarios, others however actively won't talk to me about it and are genuinely dumbfounded that I still would vote leave again if another referendum took place.

I too know that I have lost "friends" on Facebook because I voted leave.

Anyone else have similar experiences ?

Honestly haven’t had that, one of my best mates at work is a leaver and we talk about it a lot but wouldn’t not talk to someone for their views on it

 

[Hobbit]

Has anyone found their view on the whole brexit subject has affected their lives /relationships?

I ask as I work in the city for a financial firm which is being impacted by brexit. Of the 100+ employees I know of only 3 people (myself included) that voted leave, everyone else is strongly remain and very vocal about it.... Some in the office have taken time to talk to me about my view and we have had good exchanges on the pros and cons of the scenarios, others however actively won't talk to me about it and are genuinely dumbfounded that I still would vote leave again if another referendum took place.

I too know that I have lost "friends" on Facebook because I voted leave.

Anyone else have similar experiences ?

I've had a few Leave voters ask me why I voted Remain. Some can't understand why I don't agree with them.

I'm surprised how many Brits in Spain voted Leave, some of which I play golf with. Those out here that voted Leave, you have to have a UK address to have voted, are already feeling the pinch... the £ down 10% since the vote... the need for private health insurance, many buying it before it becomes compulsory just in case... the need to sort out a Spanish driving licence... the rush by those under the radar to become legal, and before the 3rd country requirements are enforced, which are a lot tougher. Spain has cancelled all appointments for Residencia until after the UK decides whats happening.

Some Remain voters out here are very vocal, especially those residing here who weren't allowed to vote even though it has very serious implications for them. The abuse on FB from some is very sharp.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I’m just making the point to those who don’t seem to actually understand that the gov can change their mind if they see fit because it’s not legally binding and never was.

If it’s correct or not to do so is a debate for another time but for drive4show and socket to suggest to don’t understand because once you have voted they HAVE to put it though is again WRONG

If it’s not legally binding then they don’t have to do anything if they don’t want to.

Just pointing out some facts to 2 people who like to try to talk down to me because they can’t seem to grasp that whilst it may morally be wrong to change the outcome of the vote the gov can do whatever they like here.

Once again

Not legally binding.

I hope the understood and kept up 👌

Chris and I both understand it is not a legally binding result but that is not what we are debating. We are debating the issue of how democracy works. The public voted to leave, the correct democratic process now is for the government to see that through.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

adam6177 - No would be the answer. I do know people who voted differently to me and who are as strident as Crazyface. It is not something I feel the need to debate with when I chat with them. If I do, if it gets raised, then it is a little like a chat between friends when they support different football teams. We disagree, we will debate but it does not mean we can not talk to each other or walk away as friends still. It is undoubtedly a subject that has rocked the country though. I hear this being talked about in all sorts of situations where normal politics would never be discussed and it would not surprise me if friendships had become strained.

Hobbit - That does not surprise me at all. I know some elderly expats, okay not a scientific cross section by any means, but they tend to view the UK they left behind with a bit of disdain and hark back to 'the good old days'. Getting out of the EU suits that narrative. Always makes me chuckle when they moan about immigrants when that is what they have become. To balance this, I also know others who have worried greatly about it but I know more of the former than the latter.

 

[IanM]

,,,the campaign to ignore the referendum is responsbile for much if not all of that FX change... "Old God! We're all going to die!" Hardly going to do the markets any good!

Although for ex-pats, any changes in regs are a huge worry. I thought the UK Govt has already guaranteed rights for EU Nationals already in the UK. The EU not reciprocated then?

 

[IanM]

The public voted to leave, the correct democratic process now is for the government to see that through.

Name a vote against the EU that was allowed to stand. I cant think of a single one.

 

[Crazyface]

Name a vote against the EU that was allowed to stand. I cant think of a single one.

This is my worry.

 

[Hobbit]

Hobbit - That does not surprise me at all. I know some elderly expats, okay not a scientific cross section by any means, but they tend to view the UK they left behind with a bit of disdain and hark back to 'the good old days'. Getting out of the EU suits that narrative. Always makes me chuckle when they moan about immigrants when that is what they have become. To balance this, I also know others who have worried greatly about it but I know more of the former than the latter.

I don’t doubt there are expats out here with those ideas. There’s certainly Brit pubs out here I wouldn’t visit twice... a couple remind me of the roughest pubs in the Boro.

Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to out here that voted Leave have done so because they don’t like Brussels rule...simple as that. Some then talk about the Common Market that they voted in favour of.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Name a vote against the EU that was allowed to stand. I cant think of a single one.

Not sure if you've been watching the news recently but The EU are not stopping us from agreeing a withdrawal agreement. Parliament (as in the UK one, not the EU one just for clarification) has had 2 opportunities to vote to leave and have managed not to do so. And whilst I am sure they are sad to see us go, the EU want the agreement signed so everyone can move on and we can begin withdrawing from the EU.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don’t doubt there are expats out here with those ideas. There’s certainly Brit pubs out here I wouldn’t visit twice... a couple remind me of the roughest pubs in the Boro.

Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to out here that voted Leave have done so because they don’t like Brussels rule...simple as that. Some then talk about the Common Market that they voted in favour of.

I was just coming back to add to my post but you typed too quickly. The expats I know are from an older generation than you. They are from the age group that largely voted leave so whether they live in the UK or Spain, they hold similar views still. There is a whole new era of ex-pats, which you are part of, that I have no friends / relatives involved in, apart from yourself , that will look differently upon all of this. I should have made that clear. I did point out it was a wholly unscientific survey so that was my get out

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Name a vote against the EU that was allowed to stand. I cant think of a single one.

Not sure if you've been watching the news recently but The EU are not stopping us from agreeing a withdrawal agreement. Parliament (as in the UK one, not the EU one just for clarification) has had 2 opportunities to vote to leave and have managed not to do so. And whilst I am sure they are sad to see us go, the EU want the agreement signed so everyone can move on and we can begin withdrawing from the EU.

Ian I am unable to answer your question but Hacker has done it very eloquently on my behalf

 

[IanM]

Not sure if you've been watching the news recently but The EU are not stopping us from agreeing a withdrawal agreement. Parliament (as in the UK one, not the EU one just for clarification) has had 2 opportunities to vote to leave and have managed not to do so. And whilst I am sure they are sad to see us go, the EU want the agreement signed so everyone can move on and we can begin withdrawing from the EU.

Not sure what your reply has to do with my posting. I was refering to votes against the EU that have all been re-run or ignored across several member states. (On Membership, Treaties, and Budgets)

Our Parliamentary fudge is simple... A deal Leavers hate, and Remainers will only support staying in. Taking No-Deal off the table confirmed what is going on. Would any of you visit a car show room or Estate Agent with no "walk away" option available???

Our Referendum will be the same. Keep voting to EU wins.

Ethically the 2nd Ref should be "No Deal" or May's Deal. (Remain option defeated in first ballot) But Aldershot Town will win the Champions League before that happens!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No problem. It's what the people I know are saying. just because you are one of the moaning minnies who lost. We are getting fed up of all this garbage. And I can tell you whan I speak to people they are becoming more and more irate and VERY vocal. it will blow up big style if we do not leave.

I think from your posting history we can all guess the people you know - wouldn’t surprise me if you are all members of the EDL

And I suspect it won’t blow up “big style “ at all - I believe the “loud” Brexiteers are a small group

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I think from your posting history we can all guess the people you know - wouldn’t surprise me if you are all members of the EDL

And I suspect it won’t blow up “big style “ at all - I believe the “loud” Brexiteers are a small group

A little bit personal post LP.

 

[Dando]

Intersting - not a single comment on the Guy Verhofstadt video.

the "leaked" one of him and Merkel?

 

[Dando]

Oh we do see it VERY clearly.
What you seek will lead to England and perhaps Wales out of the UK and out of the EU and in the splendid isolation that half of its population seem to desperately seek.

It was more than half!

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Honestly haven’t had that, one of my best mates at work is a leaver and we talk about it a lot but wouldn’t not talk to someone for their views on it

Very much my experience with remains or leaves people.

Most people who I have spoken to, are just worry about what it will mean for them and their businesses moving forward and most do not believe it will be good news in the short term(ie. varies but generally between the next 1-10 years)

 

[Foxholer]

adam6177 - No would be the answer. I do know people who voted differently to me and who are as strident as Crazyface. It is not something I feel the need to debate with when I chat with them. If I do, if it gets raised, then it is a little like a chat between friends when they support different football teams. We disagree, we will debate but it does not mean we can not talk to each other or walk away as friends still. It is undoubtedly a subject that has rocked the country though. I hear this being talked about in all sorts of situations where normal politics would never be discussed and it would not surprise me if friendships had become strained.

Hobbit - That does not surprise me at all. I know some elderly expats, okay not a scientific cross section by any means, but they tend to view the UK they left behind with a bit of disdain and hark back to 'the good old days'. Getting out of the EU suits that narrative. Always makes me chuckle when they moan about immigrants when that is what they have become. To balance this, I also know others who have worried greatly about it but I know more of the former than the latter.

The bold bit makes me chuckle too!

Btw. I'm an immigrant (since '88) also!

 

[Foxholer]

Name a vote against the EU that was allowed to stand. I cant think of a single one.

I can't think of a single 'whole UK' 'vote against the EU' in the first place!

What 'votes' are you refering to?