Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

Very much my experience with remains or leaves people.

Most people who I have spoken to, are just worry about what it will mean for them and their businesses moving forward and most do not believe it will be good news in the short term(ie. varies but generally between the next 1-10 years)

See I’m more worried about what it’s like for others. I’ve taken care of myself and my family. I’m in a job that isn’t affected by this luckily and I fixed my mortgage for 10 years in sept so I know the budget for 10 years is set and once the dust is settled we can have another look and decide our next step

However not everyone has this luxuary and too many people live on the bread line as it is.

 

[Foxholer]

Not sure what your reply has to do with my posting. I was refering to votes against the EU that have all been re-run or ignored across several member states. (On Membership, Treaties, and Budgets)
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Please specify which ones!

The only one I really know much about was the Irish initial rejection of the Lisbon Treaty. That rejection caused significant amendments/additions to the Lisbon Treaty and a subsequent referendum approved the new version. To me, that's not a re-run; it's a demonstration of how Democracy should work!

 

[IanM]

I can't think of a single 'whole UK' 'vote against the EU' in the first place!

What 'votes' are you refering to?

Seriously? Demark,France, Ireland, Greece, for starters... get googling - there are others.

Edit. Irish amendments to Lisbon subsequently erroded by further treaties. Again, see the video I refered to earlier, their intent is full Federalism and they don't care what folk vote for. Our Referendum will be over turned.

Name ONE that was accepted?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

and too many people live on the bread line as it is.

Maybe that's because we are pumping billions into the economies of other countries that we could be using to provide for our own citizens

 

[IanM]

...and just for fun today... Marr on the BBC 7 guests. 5 Remainers. Nice balance! (again)

 

[GB72]

Interesting to see how things go if the indicative votes take place. Have to be free from party obligations otherwise we are going to end up with an option having an indicative majority that then does not get support if put to a full and proper vote. On that basis, at least we will see where Parliament really stands on the whole Brexit issue. Clearly there are some who have tied their mast to the 'leave at all costs' or 'remain' camps but it will be interesting to see how the rest vote. Do we have the remain parliament that many are assuming, do we have a leave parliament that just wants a softer option, who really knows and so over the next couple of days there we may see MPs forced to put their cards on the table. Their consituents will then be free to commment as to whether they support the stance that they are taking.

Having done some reasearch, I cannot see the Common Market 2.0 or Norway Plus being realistic. Aside from not really being a leave option (and this comes from a remainer) the deal that we would want would mean changes to all sorts of European rules that come with these deals, not least of which being freedom of movement which has only been exempted once in the case of Lichtenstein as it was deemed too small a country to be able to cope. That leave the current deal, no deal and remain. If there is no support for no deal in Parliament then these votes may see a switch to support for the TM deal but it will be interesting to see how many are willing to stick their neck out and vote remain as it will taint any future comment made from them and could wreck a few careers if their constituency is for leave.

Whatever your feelings about her (I am not a massive fan but thought that she had an impossible task that she could have handled better) I think TM has to resign once this is over. This has created too much baggage and it would hamper her for years to come. For once it would be better to have a clean slate so as the new PM can blame it on the last lot.

 

[Foxholer]

Seriously? Demark,France, Ireland, Greece, for starters... get googling - there are others.

Edit. Irish amendments to Lisbon subsequently erroded by further treaties. Again, see the video I refered to earlier, their intent is full Federalism and they don't care what folk vote for. Our Referendum will be over turned.

Name ONE that was accepted?

ALL results were accepted!

That acceptance prompted changes to the initial text of the treaties and, as a result, the amended treaty was passed (except for the Greek Bailout one, which wasn't re-put) in subsequent referendums! Likewise, the rejection of its bailout agreement caused subsequent changes (for the worse!!) in those conditions! It wasn't put to a referendum for a couple of compelling reasons!

I sincerely hope our one will not be overturned, even though I voted Remain!

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And...Germany now in recession. ...

Btw. I noticed this in an earlier one of your posts. Can you provide confirmation? Or is simply another exaggeration?

 

[Kellfire]

I know one person who has admitted to voting leave and when he is present we simply speak no politics. I know that when he voted leave it caused an issue with his long term girlfriend and they had to have some serious conversations about their future after that.

I genuinely can't see me ever being close friends with hardcore leavers because their ideologies would probably be polar opposites to mine.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Maybe that's because we are pumping billions into the economies of other countries that we could be using to provide for our own citizens

Think what’s more likely without the “control” of the Eu their will be little to stop the tories corroding away legalisation that protects the working class . More hours, for same money with less time off.. sick pay who needs that.. etc etc.. without the stuff we have because of the Eu the tories can crush the working class and build their perfect working model. Max work for minimum pay 👌

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I play with people who voted both leave and remain - all are sick of the whole process right now but it’s not changed anyone and certainly hasn’t resulted in any loss of friendships - I don’t care how people voted , doesn’t change who they are as a person , and certainly haven’t felt the need to pigeon hole someone based on how they voted.

 

[Foxholer]

Think what’s more likely without the “control” of the Eu their will be little to stop the tories corroding away legalisation that protects the working class . More hours, for same money with less time off.. sick pay who needs that.. etc etc.. without the stuff we have because of the Eu the tories can crush the working class and build their perfect working model. Max work for minimum pay 👌

That's an extreme view that's simply never going to happen imo!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Think what’s more likely without the “control” of the Eu their will be little to stop the tories corroding away legalisation that protects the working class . More hours, for same money with less time off.. sick pay who needs that.. etc etc.. without the stuff we have because of the Eu the tories can crush the working class and build their perfect working model. Max work for minimum pay 👌

Do you seriously think we will return to the dark ages if/when we leave?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Do you seriously think we will return to the dark ages if/when we leave?

It’s something that worries me. There is nothing to stop them changing the laws once Eu stops being there.. at the moment the Eu provide far more protection for workers than they seem to realise

It may not happen but it’s a risk I believe increases if we leave

 

[Hobbit]

I think from your posting history we can all guess the people you know - wouldn’t surprise me if you are all members of the EDL

And I suspect it won’t blow up “big style “ at all - I believe the “loud” Brexiteers are a small group

Have a look back at your posts from the tail end of last week. You were predicting all sorts of unrest.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have a look back at your posts from the tail end of last week. You were predicting all sorts of unrest.

Unrest ? Was I ? I don’t remember predicting that

 

[SocketRocket]

I know one person who has admitted to voting leave and when he is present we simply speak no politics. I know that when he voted leave it caused an issue with his long term girlfriend and they had to have some serious conversations about their future after that.

I genuinely can't see me ever being close friends with hardcore leavers because their ideologies would probably be polar opposites to mine.

If you can't have political differences with your friends without keeping them at arms length then it speaks volumes for your bad attitude. Take a long look at yourself man

 

[SocketRocket]

See I’m more worried about what it’s like for others. I’ve taken care of myself and my family. I’m in a job that isn’t affected by this luckily and I fixed my mortgage for 10 years in sept so I know the budget for 10 years is set and once the dust is settled we can have another look and decide our next step

However not everyone has this luxuary and too many people live on the bread line as it is.

As we are still members of the EU and you think it the best thing for us, then why do too many people live on the bread line as you suggest.

 

[spongebob59]

He's got a point

https://twitter.com/x/status/1110213435315224579

 

[Deleted member 21784]

As we are still members of the EU and you think it the best thing for us, then why do too many people live on the bread line as you suggest.

Fundermental under investment in infrastructure and services by central government. If we weren’t in the Eu they wouldn’t suddenly find extra for the nhs which they have said already so it’s mismanagement of public funds.

But hey let’s cut all ties why not? Survival of the fittest and richest .. why not. Be great .

 

[Hacker Khan]

So apparently May's deal won't pass, No Deal is off the table, so what else is there?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1110204866000027648