Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

Unfortunately we are now in a situation with politicians that if they told me it was daytime, I would look out of the window to check. Out of interest are both Chancellors remainers.

Hammond had backed Remain in the Brexit referendum, but confirmed he would support the withdrawal of the UK from the EU, saying "No ifs, no buts, no second referendums. We are leaving the European Union. But it is equally clear to me that the British people did not vote on June 23 to become poorer, or less secure" and that he would take whatever steps necessary to protect the economy, jobs and living standards.[44]

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Surely not; who could have guessed?

It’s almost like someone who is in control of the countries finance wants to back the option that would keep the county as strong financially as possible..... who would have thought

 

[Blue in Munich]

It’s almost like someone who is in control of the countries finance wants to back the option that would keep the county as strong financially as possible..... who would have thought

That option being to tie the country’s economy to a system that every other expert seems to consider a sinking ship, and one which as a net contributor we will end up bearing the financial liability for.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That option being to tie the country’s economy to a system that every other expert seems to consider a sinking ship, and one which as a net contributor we will end up bearing the financial liability for.

Every other? Some believe not all.

 

[bobmac]

If some expert politicians are saying brexit is good and some expert politicians are saying brexit is bad, it seems to me that asking expert politicians about the future is a bit of a waste of time.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not at all. It’s been around longer than the leave campaign
A gammon is a middle aged white man who’s red in and face and raging

2012 it was first used

It’s been used now to discribe Brexiteers because of the anger involved when they shout at MPs

Most of the shouting at people outside parliament is from Remainers. That bloke with the megaphone should be locked up, not for his political view but for public disorder, I know what would happen to me if I walked up and down my high Street shouting through a megaphone. How was that for a classic bit of gammon.:
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[Deleted member 21784]

Most of the shouting at people outside parliament is from Remainers. That bloke with the megaphone should be locked up, not for his political view but for public disorder, I know what would happen to me if I walked up and down my high Street shouting through a megaphone. How was that for a classic bit of gammon.:
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Very true. It’s used for anyone who angry shouts at people

Which is why it’s been used at a lot of leavers

Those awful people (not leavers per say) who hound MPs calling them traitors and scum filming it and shouting abuse

Those are gammons

 

[chrisd]

Most of the shouting at people outside parliament is from Remainers. That bloke with the megaphone should be locked up, not for his political view but for public disorder, I know what would happen to me if I walked up and down my high Street shouting through a megaphone. How was that for a classic bit of gammon.:
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I was there during the vote a couple of weeks ago, just happened the have been to a show in London and took a stroll down to see what was going on and I'd say remainers and leavers were pretty even in numbers and it was pretty good natured banter mostly. The most annoying thing was a van driving up and down playing music with tannoy announcements, some complained to the police and they said they were going to stop the van

 

[Fade and Die]

Very true. It’s used for anyone who angry shouts at people

Which is why it’s been used at a lot of leavers

Those awful people (not leavers per say) who hound MPs calling them traitors and scum filming it and shouting abuse

Those are gammons

What about the Waitrose set that marched in London yesterday chanting:
“What do we want?
Less democracy.
When do we want it?
Now”
(Or something like that)

Gammons?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

If some expert politicians are saying brexit is good and some expert politicians are saying brexit is bad, it seems to me that asking expert politicians about the future is a bit of a waste of time.

I think there have been a number of examples in the last few years of experts on both sides of an argument giving contradictory views or advice. As you say it does bring into question how expert they all are.

 

[BubbaP]

I think there have been a number of examples in the last few years of experts on both sides of an argument giving contradictory views or advice. As you say it does bring into question how expert they all are.

Ultimately all people can do is give their opinions. There is no precedent for what is being proposed (which is why understandable some/many have concerns). There is no crystal ball, so all anyone can do is judge those opinions for themselves.

As we have all seen, those with strong views will typically pick out those opinions which align and quote them.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Ultimately all people can do is give their opinions. There is no precedent for what is being proposed (which is why understandable some/many have concerns). There is no crystal ball, so all anyone can do is judge those opinions for themselves.

As we have all seen, those with strong views will typically pick out those opinions which align and quote them.

I agree. It is the claim to be an expert that is bandied around a little too much now.

 

[Old Skier]

I agree. It is the claim to be an expert that is bandied around a little too much now.

Unfortunately there are some on both sides that accept the expert option as fact.

 

[Old Skier]

It appears there are some remainers out there that are not only protesting about Brexit but also have no respect to war memorials

 

[drdel]

I think what this thread shows and all over social media in tbe Government , work and in fact all over the country - is that this vote has torn the country apart , it’s made us a laughing stock , it’s drawn a big trench right down the middle of the country , it’s enabled normally mild mannered people become very angry and overall people have become more selfish

This vote and process is imo going to damage the country for a long time - I’m not talking about financially because no one will know what happens in that sense until it’s finished but as a country we are going to be divided and a mess for a long time - there are going to be a hell of a lot of “I told you so” etc etc - the resentment against this whole process just gets bigger and bigger

I don't bang on about how I voted to people I meet. Divisions will only continue or widen if we keep harping on.

I would hope that whatever happens the UK is mature enough to get on with making a succcess with the cards we're dealt.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

What about the Waitrose set that marched in London yesterday chanting:
“What do we want?
Less democracy.
When do we want it?
Now”
(Or something like that)

Gammons?

Think this from yesterday sums it up very nicely..

 

[Old Skier]

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Think this from yesterday sums it up very nicely..

No problem , we changed our mind, we voted to leave the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

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Think this from yesterday sums it up very nicely..

Absolutely it does. It shows a bunch of people who fail to understand (convieniatly) how democracy works. You must execute the first democratic decision before replacing it with another.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Absolutely it does. It shows a bunch of people who fail to understand (convieniatly) how democracy works. You must execute the first democratic decision before replacing it with another.

Incorrect again socket. They understand how it works. They are entitled to change their mind. Its how democracy works

That’s the entire point.

 

[SocketRocket]

Very true. It’s used for anyone who angry shouts at people

Which is why it’s been used at a lot of leavers

Those awful people (not leavers per say) who hound MPs calling them traitors and scum filming it and shouting abuse

Those are gammons

agree completely. Mud slinging.