Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

They will find a way to have a 3rd meaningful vote, the deal will go through, May will then resign and either Bojo or Raab C Noclue will become PM. God help us. But on the plus side my nominated charity will be £20 better off.

 

[SocketRocket]

If Parliament had been involved in the negotiations from day 1 maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess!
Still only 1 person and Party to blame!

Now youve got to be joking 😂
This has descended into a complete farce since every man and his dog in parliament have been squabbling and pulling in oposite directions. How could any company run a business where instead of the management making decisions every employe decides on business policy. What we have just experienced is anarchy, the lunatics are running the asylum.

 

[SocketRocket]

They will find a way to have a 3rd meaningful vote, the deal will go through, May will then resign and either Bojo or Raab C Noclue will become PM. God help us. But on the plus side my nominated charity will be £20 better off.

I think Liddington is a runner for the job.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Now youve got to be joking 😂
This has descended into a complete farce since every man and his dog in parliament have been squabbling and pulling in oposite directions. How could any company run a business where instead of the management making decisions every employee has a say on business decisions. What we have just experienced is anarchy, the lunatics are running the asylum.

She refused to let anyone else get involved with negotiations, she never briefed or discussed the deal with other party leaders prior to agreeing it with the EU.
She then gets slaughtered in the vote (twice) and now wants to meet and discuss with them.
Surely she’d of been better squabbling in private and getting some sort of idea were she stood before negotiations rather than the last 3 month mess she’s created.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If Parliament had stood together there could well have been room for a last minute break,through . We have been negotiating in the medium of a one armed paper hanger.

if the Tories would have stood together we would not have needed this last minute desperation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108418852684288000

 

[SocketRocket]

She refused to let anyone else get involved with negotiations, she never briefed or discussed the deal with other party leaders prior to agreeing it with the EU.
She then gets slaughtered in the vote (twice) and now wants to meet and discuss with them.
Surely she’d of been better squabbling in private and getting some sort of idea were she stood before negotiations rather than the last 3 month mess she’s created.

There would never be a snowballs chance in hell of Labour, SNP or LibDems working WITH her.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There would never be a snowballs chance in hell of Labour, SNP or LibDems working WITH her.

Rubbish, she hasn’t even got your party working WITH her and there are many cross party committees working together in Parliament. This issue is bigger than any one party.
You can’t have total control of a situation then blame everyone else when the opposition snd your own party turn against you.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think Liddington is a runner for the job.

He could walk past me in the street and I would not have a clue who he is. So probably a great charismatic choice to lead the UK in this new EU free world full of exciting trading opportunities/post apocalyptic wasteland where we can only trade with Lichtenstein and Iceland (delete as appropriate). He's at 28 to 1 with some bookies so pile in there and make a killing. https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

 

[Hobbit]

Rubbish, she hasn’t even got your party working WITH her and there are many cross party committees working together in Parliament. This issue is bigger than any one party.
You can’t have total control of a situation then blame everyone else when the opposition snd your own party turn against you.

She's never had control of it. Her deal is a BRINO deal, and it still hasn't got through.

You've only got to read of the meeting between the other parties yesterday to see there isn't anything like a consensus in the other parties either.

And on a wider note, the weakest, most inept governments have been those that are either minority governments or coalitions. The only way the Tories would have got any deal through is with a massive majority in parliament that would have made their own detractors pointless.

Do you really honestly think this up-cock is solely down to the Tories? You're coming across as a pin a rosette on any other donkey and you'd still say the Tories are evil.

 

[Foxholer]

Now youve got to be joking 😂
This has descended into a complete farce since every man and his dog in parliament have been squabbling and pulling in oposite directions. How could any company run a business where instead of the management making decisions every employe decides on business policy. What we have just experienced is anarchy, the lunatics are running the asylum.

She refused to let anyone else get involved with negotiations, she never briefed or discussed the deal with other party leaders prior to agreeing it with the EU.
She then gets slaughtered in the vote (twice) and now wants to meet and discuss with them.
Surely she’d of been better squabbling in private and getting some sort of idea were she stood before negotiations rather than the last 3 month mess she’s created.

Her approach probably worked at least as well as any other would have imo.

It was ALWAYS going to come down to this situation.

The fact thet May is going to be 'blamed' for the shambles that is 650 members with varying opiniuons on what is really best for the country, let alone the Governm,ent vs Opposition issue. She'll get this through, run the country, taking the blame for every real or perceived Brexit related issue - like bus fares going up or the lack of action on pot-holes - then resign with a Damehood and retire to the Lords. Which, btw, has been noticeable subdued about the entire process! It clarly demonstrates, to me, that those wise men and women know when to keep a low profile!

 

[SocketRocket]

if the Tories would have stood together we would not have needed this last minute desperation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1108418852684288000

Thats correct, they are as bad as the rest.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

She's never had control of it. Her deal is a BRINO deal, and it still hasn't got through.

You've only got to read of the meeting between the other parties yesterday to see there isn't anything like a consensus in the other parties either.

And on a wider note, the weakest, most inept governments have been those that are either minority governments or coalitions. The only way the Tories would have got any deal through is with a massive majority in parliament that would have made their own detractors pointless.

Do you really honestly think this up-cock is solely down to the Tories? You're coming across as a pin a rosette on any other donkey and you'd still say the Tories are evil.

No Brian, I voted to leave and put my faith in the government.
She obviously expected her deal to go through, she must of known if her own party was likely to back her or not.
For some people to now expect opposition mp’s to back her or take responsibility is crazy.
Surely they didn’t keep negotiating with just a few people in the know!
To bring it to Parliament with such a short time frame for anything to go wrong was daft.
I firmly believe I woukd be of the same opinion regardless of party.
It’s embarrassing the way this playing out.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Her approach probably worked at least as well as any other would have imo.

It was ALWAYS going to come down to this situation.

The fact thet May is going to be 'blamed' for the shambles that is 650 members with varying opiniuons on what is really best for the country, let alone the Governm,ent vs Opposition issue. She'll get this through, run the country, taking the blame for every real or perceived Brexit related issue - like bus fares going up or the lack of action on pot-holes - then resign with a Damehood and retire to the Lords. Which, btw, has been noticeable subdued about the entire process! It clarly demonstrates, to me, that those wise men and women know when to keep a low profile!

Who gets the blame for the financial crisis when Labour was in control?
That responsibility goes with the job.
The whole Brexit situation has been badly handled since day 1 and I’d suggest prior to a few months ago very few of the 650 had anything to do with Brexit.
If you could see it was always going to come down to this situation how come no one in the Government could?

 

[SocketRocket]

Rubbish, she hasn’t even got your party working WITH her and there are many cross party committees working together in Parliament. This issue is bigger than any one party.
You can’t have total control of a situation then blame everyone else when the opposition snd your own party turn against you.

I am not protecting the conservatives, they are just as responsible. My point was in reply to your rather naive suggestion that she should have worked with other parties. If you believe she could have done that without dismissing the referendum result then you are guilty of your own accusation. Talking rubbish.

 

[Hobbit]

No Brian, I voted to leave and put my faith in the government.
She obviously expected her deal to go through, she must of known if her own party was likely to back her or not.
For some people to now expect opposition mp’s to back her or take responsibility is crazy.
Surely they didn’t keep negotiating with just a few people in the know!
To bring it to Parliament with such a short time frame for anything to go wrong was daft.
I firmly believe I woukd be of the same opinion regardless of party.
It’s embarrassing the way this playing out.

I believe she knew her deal wouldn't fly but it was all that the EU would give her. She has run the clock down deliberately, giving the MP's the bitter choice of her deal or no deal, both of which are very poor.

I hope its exit no deal. As painful as it will be, it will also be horrendously painful for the EU, and see them negotiating in good faith, which they haven't to date. Hell, Murcia region alone is exporting over £10m worth of fruit and veg a week to the UK. Do you think those farmers can take a hit on a weekly basis? They aren't big business like VW. Same goes for the Spanish fishing fleet up on the north coast - you tell me how many rich fishermen there are. It would be devastating to many many small businesses across the EU, just as it will to the UK. I can't see the (tottering) EU economy tolerating that.

 

[SocketRocket]

He could walk past me in the street and I would not have a clue who he is. So probably a great charismatic choice to lead the UK in this new EU free world full of exciting trading opportunities/post apocalyptic wasteland where we can only trade with Lichtenstein and Iceland (delete as appropriate). He's at 28 to 1 with some bookies so pile in there and make a killing. https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

Like you I hadn't noticed him before. I watched him last week being grilled by the Brexit select committee and was very impressed with the clarity and way he articulated his answers.

 

[drdel]

Her approach probably worked at least as well as any other would have imo.

It was ALWAYS going to come down to this situation.

The fact thet May is going to be 'blamed' for the shambles that is 650 members with varying opiniuons on what is really best for the country, let alone the Governm,ent vs Opposition issue. She'll get this through, run the country, taking the blame for every real or perceived Brexit related issue - like bus fares going up or the lack of action on pot-holes - then resign with a Damehood and retire to the Lords. Which, btw, has been noticeable subdued about the entire process! It clarly demonstrates, to me, that those wise men and women know when to keep a low profile!

Had Gina Miiller not decided to play games the Executive would have had the power to negotiate and the backstabbing and grandstanding by everyone and their uncle would not have got traction

 

[Mudball]

Looks like Churchill is going to address the nation about the grave times we are in and how we will fight them till we get the same deal signed. It’s at 8:15 tonight.

 

[Mudball]

Had Gina Miiller not decided to play games the Executive would have had the power to negotiate and the backstabbing and grandstanding by everyone and their uncle would not have got traction

Agree.. without her we would have already signed up to whatever shite the ERG blackmailed Maybot to sign up to..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yes if it wasn't for the 'Enemies of the People'/the Saboteurs/Bercow/the EU/the Political Elite/Soros/Gina Miller and Gina G questioning the well thought out plans to leave we would be home and dry by now.

Oi matey, you forgot those pesky Scotch people in that list.