Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

And this time be careful who gets the keys.

Throw them in the Thames.

 

[SocketRocket]

Throw them in the Thames.

And the keys 😁

 

[Hacker Khan]

More importantly what might this do to Hacker Khan's betting pool? 😉

I'm playing the long game, plenty of time yet before now and the end of March.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Is that the same Paddy Power that were offering 8 to 1 on Leave winning the referendum?

Indeed they were, there's value to be had if you know where to look.

 

[Sweep]

The Tories could end up with their last 2 leaders calling a referendum on Brexit when there was no need to do it and then managing to leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement. Despite the fact that there is no clear mandate to leave with no deal from the public and a clear desire not to do that from MPs . That's quite a legacy of incompetence there, what is it with the Tories and bloody Europe?? Good job we have a very electable opposition to capitalise on that though.....

I am not sure you can say there was no need to call the referendum. There were clearly 17.4 million reasons to call it.
And if you think the EU (not Europe) is only a Tory issue, you are mistaken.

 

[Sweep]

The speaker has done the right thing of denying Maybot the opportunity to bring her deal to the table again if it has not changed. I already raised this a few days ago.. In this bonkers world, People cannot change their mind on a 'non-legally binding' referendum but MPs allowed to change mind on a Meaningful vote!!

The question is, exactly how much does it need to change?

 

[harpo_72]

I am not sure you can say there was no need to call the referendum. There were clearly 17.4 million reasons to call it.
And if you think the EU (not Europe) is only a Tory issue, you are mistaken.

That has come to the surface for sure.

The question is, exactly how much does it need to change?

It has to change without some form of bribery.. watching the DUP prance about acting important and looking enriched is disgusting and the thought of paying off MPs for votes doesn’t sound like democracy.
So the speaker did the right thing, stop pedalling a sh@t deal and get a proper one or give up. The extension is highly unlikely, no deal will probably scar the Tories for life , so there is an incentive to do a good deal.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I see the usual right wing papers are all piling in on Bercow on their front pages.

I'm assuming they are angry that he is ensuring the British parliament, that will be taking back control from the EU, functions as it is meant to do and is not rode roughshod over.

And it was all going so well anyway apart from this last minute hiccup.....

 

[SocketRocket]

I see the usual right wing papers are all piling in on Bercow on their front pages.

I'm assuming they are angry that he is ensuring the British parliament, that will be taking back control from the EU, functions as it is meant to do and is not rode roughshod over.

And it was all going so well anyway apart from this last minute hiccup.....

There is no doubt in my mind Bercow is using his position with a political bias.

 

[Foxholer]

...To the best of my knowledge nowt. All the leaders of the EU are supposed to agree on any changes and they have not met yet, plus they said " don't bother coming back"....

Are they? I thought they had given the responsibility for negotiating a deal to the negotiating team. And have been kept up to date with progress at times through the process.

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What narks me was the Scotish guy on QT last week said that we should not of had the second vote as it broke Parliment law. He was either lying when he said it, or simply did not know what the ruling was. Either way it was very poor. What was worse was no one was able pull him up and say he was wrong.

Seems he was correct though!

 

[Hacker Khan]

There is no doubt in my mind Bercow is using his position with a political bias.

So what should he have done when asked to clarify the position on bringing back the exact same vote?

 

[Taz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1107960405190688768

 

[Deleted member 16999]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1107960405190688768

These “reporters” need to learn respect, he’s polite and yet they continue to badger him.
If the BBC want an interview they should request it through the proper channels, no ambush someone on the streets trying to get a scoop!

 

[User62651]

These “reporters” need to learn respect, he’s polite and yet they continue to badger him.
If the BBC want an interview they should request it through the proper channels, no ambush someone on the streets trying to get a scoop!

Agreed, been watching too much 'rogue traders'. Harassment from journos is perhaps justifiable with some clear evidence of criminality, not just for doing your job.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Agreed, been watching too much 'rogue traders'. Harassment from journos is perhaps justifiable with some clear evidence of criminality, not just for doing your job.

I normally stick up a lot for the BBC but this was pretty poor. He literally explained his thought process in the HOC which was broadcast for all to see and hear. it's kind of stooping down to the level of the headlines on the front pages of the Sun, Mail and Express which is never a good look really.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I normally stick up a lot for the BBC but this was pretty poor. He literally explained his thought process in the HOC which was broadcast for all to see and hear. it's kind of stooping down to the level of the headlines on the front pages of the Sun, Mail and Express which is never a good look really.

He just sounded desperate! Bercow was even more interested in the blokes welfare than he was himself.
Should of let him get knocked down, he’d of made his own headline then.

 

[Taz]

Wait for the next nut job to find out his route.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Just seen on the BBC lunchtime news that a French minister has called her cat Brexit. Because it sits by the door and miaows to be let out but then when you open the door it just sits there and refuses to go. That probably amused me more than it should have done but I did have a good chuckle at it.

 

[Taz]

Wait for the next nut job to find out his route.

Which thye've just posted on twitter

Guido hears that when he was doorstepped, Bercow was returning from gym this morning. His normal route through the tunnel from Portcullis House underneath Westminster Bridge Road. Despite the rain he chose today to go the longer, outside route entering by St Stephens...

 

[SocketRocket]

So what should he have done when asked to clarify the position on bringing back the exact same vote?

I would suggest he should have allowed the vote on the basis it may pass and bring an end to this matter dragging on. I suspect that he is blocking it not as a mater of procedure but as a way to frustrate Brexit and hopefully kill it off.