Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[User62651]

If the same proposition can't be brought before the house again does this mean that a 2nd referendum has now also been ruled out? MPs voted and rejected the idea of a 2nd referendum when they voted on it last week and this decision seems to rule out them being able to vote on it again. Could the speaker just have inadvertently scuppered those that want us to remain in the EU?

Don't need a 2nd ref to stay in, we are still in at the moment and there seems to be no easy way to leave, that parliament can agree. Depends on the legal status of leaving on 29th I suppose. Currently in parliament we have -

No 'No Deal'.
No 'May deal'
No '2nd ref'
No '3rd Meaningful vote'

What's left other than staying put for now whilst they extend A50 and try and renegotiate, if EU27 agrees?

 

[Old Skier]

Rumours from Germany that Italy and 2 other country's may veto any request of an extension for the U.K.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Rumours on twitter has it that a general election is now looking more likely. With a harder Brexiteer leading the Conservatives V Corbyn. So the manifesto choices will be a jump into the unknown with either a hard brexit or hard socialism. This should be fun!

 

[robinthehood]

Rumours on twitter has it that a general election is now looking more likely. With a harder Brexiteer leading the Conservatives V Corbyn. So the manifesto choices will be a hard brexit or hard socialism. This should be fun!

Yes but at least we will have taken back control and fixed the nhs 😂😂😂😂

 

[IanM]

Yes but at least we will have taken back control and fixed the nhs 😂😂😂😂

Thats like saying... "Who will win the Masters?" and replying "Coffee with sugar please!"

 

[Sweep]

Did someone say that the Tories bribed/bunged the DUP more money than Comic Relief raised in 31 years.
If true that is a bit of a wow.

I can only imagine it was some lefty celebrity luvvie who thinks the world revolves around Comic Relief who came up with this really lame statistic.
Very few, if any, companies turn over the budget of a major national economy, let alone charities. Has Comic Relief raised 1 billion in 31 years? I would doubt it. If it has it’s a staggering achievement. National governments regularly work in billions.
The two are in no way remotely comparable.
So actually not a bit of a wow at all.

 

[IanM]

Comic Relief money down this year..... BBC will blame Brexit, I will blame David Lammy! Our office diverted the proceeds from collection to a local Hospice this year, didnt want to patronise anyone...

 

[Hacker Khan]

I can only imagine it was some lefty celebrity luvvie who thinks the world revolves around Comic Relief who came up with this really lame statistic.
Very few, if any, companies turn over the budget of a major national economy, let alone charities. Has Comic Relief raised 1 billion in 31 years? I would doubt it. If it has it’s a staggering achievement. National governments regularly work in billions.
The two are in no way remotely comparable.
So actually not a bit of a wow at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31874360

 

[Fade and Die]

Don't need a 2nd ref to stay in, we are still in at the moment and there seems to be no easy way to leave, that parliament can agree. Depends on the legal status of leaving on 29th I suppose. Currently in parliament we have -

No 'No Deal'.
No 'May deal'
No '2nd ref'
No '3rd Meaningful vote'

What's left other than staying put for now whilst they extend A50 and try and renegotiate, if EU27 agrees?

She can close parliament then re-open it 3 days later as a "New session" then ask the same question again but its a bit desperate! Also I think we are still heading for a no deal Brexit in 11 days time as nothing has changed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

 

[Hacker Khan]

The Tories could end up with their last 2 leaders calling a referendum on Brexit when there was no need to do it and then managing to leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement. Despite the fact that there is no clear mandate to leave with no deal from the public and a clear desire not to do that from MPs . That's quite a legacy of incompetence there, what is it with the Tories and bloody Europe?? Good job we have a very electable opposition to capitalise on that though.....

 

[Dando]

Rumours from Germany that Italy and 2 other country's may veto any request of an extension for the U.K.

Then we should tell the EU to shove it, leave and not pay them the ransom they wanted.
I’m sure they’ll soon crap their pants at having a massive black hole in their numbers

 

[Hacker Khan]

She can close parliament then re-open it 3 days later as a "New session" then ask the same question again but its a bit desperate! Also I think we are still heading for a no deal Brexit in 11 days time as nothing has changed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

Paddy Power are offering 5 to 1 on that. Pile in!!

 

[Mudball]

The speaker has done the right thing of denying Maybot the opportunity to bring her deal to the table again if it has not changed. I already raised this a few days ago.. In this bonkers world, People cannot change their mind on a 'non-legally binding' referendum but MPs allowed to change mind on a Meaningful vote!!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Paddy Power are offering 5 to 1 on that. Pile in!!

888 offering 11/4 on article 50 being revoked .. more sensible bet 🤭

 

[Hacker Khan]

She can close parliament then re-open it 3 days later as a "New session" then ask the same question again but its a bit desperate! Also I think we are still heading for a no deal Brexit in 11 days time as nothing has changed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018

Too right, switching it off and back on again is a sensible technique to get my Sky Box working. But I'd argue not the best tactic to employ when dealing with one of the most important political decisions this country has made in the last few decades.

 

[SocketRocket]

Shut down then change the locks.

 

[BubbaP]

Is Bercow about to chuck a spanner in May's 3rd MV plan? - seems to be building up to that presently with a lengthy speech and 19th century precedents.

More importantly what might this do to Hacker Khan's betting pool? 😉

 

[SocketRocket]

The speaker has done the right thing of denying Maybot the opportunity to bring her deal to the table again if it has not changed. I already raised this a few days ago.. In this bonkers world, People cannot change their mind on a 'non-legally binding' referendum but MPs allowed to change mind on a Meaningful vote!!

Wrong. Its not the referendum that has any binding role now, it's the acts of parliament that have been made law with Royal Assent, to change us leaving the EU without a deal this would need repealing. In a way Bercow has made leaving without a deal more of a probability.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Paddy Power are offering 5 to 1 on that. Pile in!!

Is that the same Paddy Power that were offering 8 to 1 on Leave winning the referendum?

 

[Old Skier]

Shut down then change the locks.

And this time be careful who gets the keys.