Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

You mean like he was accused of doing in January when he ignored legal advice and precedent to allow votes on amendments to a government motion and afterwards said "if we only went by precedent, manifestly nothing would ever change"?

And he should have been pilloried for doing that. From memory it was something to do with restricting TMay from just running the clock down and excluding parliament from having any meaningful votes for a long while. So again I suspect eh saw it as him trying to forward the interests of parliament over the executive trying to push things through. It's a common theme of his, when Labour is in power no doubt it is seen as a good thing by some people and and when the tories are it is not.

 

[Old Skier]

I think if Labour get into power they would love to see Bercow remain as speaker. During his political career it was thought that he was going to defect and follow his wife into the Labour Party.

Like many in Parliament he has managed to steer clear of any long term proper work.

 

[Foxholer]

No he said we should not of had the second vote when it had been changed. The vote that has been stopped is correct. Nothing has been changed. As much as i voted Brexit. The law is the law. Stopping the vote is correct.

From what I understand, his point was that nothing significant had been changed. And that's the way Bercow (as Mr Speaker) has ruled.

So (in spite of him being Scottish!?) he was correct!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This is the same Bercow who drives a car with an anti-Brexit sticker -his defence was its his wife's car - someone in his position would surely realise the impact of such a juvenile and deliberate action. Its either arrogance and stupidity but whichever it is, it is hardly the prudent action of a senior Parliamentarian whose 'unbiased' judgement we are supposed to accept unchallenged!!

Give over, its a sticker on his wife's car for goodness sake, stop being so precious.
It is not a deliberate massive great porky pie on the side of a bus.

Bercow is doing a good job IMO, it is the Tory party who are acting in a juvenile, arrogant, stupid and improper manner with their bribes, lies and bullying.

 

[robinthehood]

You'd think bercow had single handedly cancelled brexit! The JRM crew had 2 votes and turned it down! no one but themselves to blame

 

[Dando]

Give over, its a sticker on his wife's car for goodness sake, stop being so precious.
It is not a deliberate massive great porky pie on the side of a bus.

Bercow is doing a good job IMO, it is the Tory party who are acting in a juvenile, arrogant, stupid and improper manner with there bribes, lies and bullying.

Give over and stop being precious, it was just a sticker on the side of a bus.

 

[IanM]

An excellent exercise in getting millions of people talking about something other than the very thing they should be!

And dont confuse the process with the end state. The former is a shambles the latter would be fine!

 

[SocketRocket]

There's only one word that describes my opinion of the above - Twaddle!

It's precisely to 'uphold parliamentary values' that he's been asked - and made, imo, the correct ruling!

I dont give a hoot what your opinion is due to being generally nit picking balderdash and extensive googling to score points on other peoples posts. Maybe you could try to add something yourself rather than being a keyboard parasite.

 

[SocketRocket]

Be interesting to see if he uses the same ruling when they come back to change the date to leave. Quids in that someone will say that there is no fundamental change as the deal is still about leaving.

Also if there is a call for a second referendum as we have already had one.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Has anything useful been posted over the last day ? Thought something useful about the step Bercow made would have been posted to help those that don’t understand

But seems it’s still the same

As each day goes by people are getting more and more sick of the whole process and I think people have had enough - it appears the speaker envoked a rule that meant a third vote for the same thing couldn’t be made ? And now it appears he has ruined Brexit ? Done it for his own personal gain plus a whole truck load of insults including reporters hounding him in the street ! And now it’s all because of a sticker in his wife’s car ?! FFS I thought people on here were supposed to be intelligent mature sensible people

I didn’t think this process could get more embarrassing for our country - it’s getting real nasty from a very small bunch of hard line brexiteers right now and I don’t think they realise imo that they are damaging the whole process more than anything

Right now I just want the whole thing to be over - don’t care in what way because I’ll find a way to get through but Christ if this does go really badly for the country - there is only one bunch i will point my finger of blame at

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Beginning to look like a two year delay , can't see this fuddle being sorted by May by May

 

[Tashyboy]

From what I understand, his point was that nothing significant had been changed. And that's the way Bercow (as Mr Speaker) has ruled.

So (in spite of him being Scottish!?) he was correct!

When I watched the QT the other night, the Scotish MP (don't know his name ) mentioned that the government should not of had a second vote on the " deal". As Bercow has pointed out, you cannot keep coming back with the same deal. But they should of had a second vote as they supposedly, and I say supposedly because the new " deal " was open to interpretation whether anything had really changed. TM went to the EU and there was supposed changes. The second deal was also rejected. However, nothing has changed now TM wants a third vote. That is why Bercow has put a stop on the third vote now. If nothing ( significant) had changed on the second vote. Bercow could of stopped that.
That grips my poo is that surely to God TM knew that Bercow could do what he did. Especially with his recent rulings. So it leads me to one of two trains of thought.
1, she really is as thick as pig ***.
2, she knew about the ruling, and knew the third vote could be stopped, which begs the question. Why?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I would suggest he should have allowed the vote on the basis it may pass and bring an end to this matter dragging on. I suspect that he is blocking it not as a mater of procedure but as a way to frustrate Brexit and hopefully kill it off.

Why? This deal is apparently a crock of that leaves us worse off than if we remained in, why would we want it to go through? If we are going to stay then cancel it and stay properly, if we are going to go then go on the 29th, but anything but the Theresa May Hokey Cokey with one foot in, one foot out and Brussels shaking us all about despite having supposedly left.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I imagine that's what the Sun, Express, Mail etc want people to think based on their headlines today.

Imagine the fuss there would be if he ignored constitutional precedent to let the house vote on a subject with no substantial changes where they have previously rejected it with the first and 4th largest defeats ever in history for a government motion. On the off chance it may get through now.

As all golfers should know, rules are rules and are not there to be ignored now and then just because the PM has decided that attrition and fear of the alternative is the only desperate tactic she has left. He's there to stick up for parliament as a whole, not bail out any current government, no matter how incompetent they are.

How corrupt would people consider the House to be if that actually came to pass; what would it have taken to change so many minds...?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Apparently the issues and uncertainties of the past two years are causing the country to go down the pan. The solution that our Lords and masters are apparently looking to in order to resolve the issues is... a further two year delay. You couldn't make this up.

Billy Connolly's dangerous dogs skit summed up this bunch of wasters perfectly.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apparently the issues and uncertainties of the past two years are causing the country to go down the pan. The solution that our Lords and masters are apparently looking to in order to resolve the issues is... a further two year delay. You couldn't make this up.

Billy Connolly's dangerous dogs skit summed up this bunch of wasters perfectly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47627744

So we might have to put up with this embarrassing mess for a further two years ?!?

If they can’t sort it out now then just cancel it and go back to the drawing board - these people are messing with the lives of everyone in the country

 

[ger147]

Apparently the issues and uncertainties of the past two years are causing the country to go down the pan. The solution that our Lords and masters are apparently looking to in order to resolve the issues is... a further two year delay. You couldn't make this up.

Billy Connolly's dangerous dogs skit summed up this bunch of wasters perfectly.

Yep, the Big Yin nailed it all those years ago...

 

[Fade and Die]

Give over, its a sticker on his wife's car for goodness sake, stop being so precious.
It is not a deliberate massive great porky pie on the side of a bus.

Bercow is doing a good job IMO, it is the Tory party who are acting in a juvenile, arrogant, stupid and improper manner with their bribes, lies and bullying.

Whilst I agree with Bercow’s decision to stop May from keep asking the same question on her turd of a deal his judgment in driving his wife’s car with the sticker in the back was crass... Imagine if premier league referee Martin Atkinson had a sticker in the back of his wife’s car (that he used to drive to matches) that had an Everton fan urinating on a Liverpool shirt. Do you think that would be acceptable?
#thatspoor

 

[Old Skier]

So (in spite of him being Scottish!?) he was correct!

When did that happen. His old man was a taxi driver in London and his first school was in London .

 

[drdel]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47627744

So we might have to put up with this embarrassing mess for a further two years ?!?

If they can’t sort it out now then just cancel it and go back to the drawing board - these people are messing with the lives of everyone in the country

But don't forget the EU has changed: the Southern members, led by France are requiring more financial aid to support unsustainable levels of debt and poor economic strategies. Investment boss Holger Schmitz, CEO of Schmitz & Partner AG, is suggesting that Germany is on the hook as the EU's cash cow and, to avoid being dragged down, it should extract itself from the Euro to regain control of its currency exchange. The UK inside the EU would join Germany in being soaked for cash by the 'takers' that Herr Schmitz fears.