Hacker Khan
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Could be worse, we could have a no deal and a Corbyn government.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Could be worse, we could have a no deal and a Corbyn government.
Old Skier
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It's quite clear what the people wanted in 2016 although it now is obvious that the elected representatives don't actually give a stuff.
Taz
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I don't think it will be a Corbyn government, Watson seems to be making moves for a centre/left split.
SocketRocket
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Unbeliveable!
Beezerk
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No deal is getting voted off tonight though, then a bit more scare tactics, before we know it the MP’s who in the main don’t want Brexit will set up Ref2 and we will stay in the EU.
Regardless of how I voted in Ref1, it’s a disgrace how they have/will ignore the result.
SocketRocket
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The Nonce Finder General in No 10. Now there's a thought. 🤔
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So the vote was 2 and half years was it ?
We are due to leave in 2 weeks and nothing has changed , we are no closer than we were two years ago
So the question is -
Are we no closer because the country is that deeply connected to the EU its a complete nightmare to find a deal that suits both us and the EU and ensures we leave ?
Or
Because the majority of MP's believe that leaving is a bad thing and trying to find a way to keep us in ?
Now from what i can see the PM is trying her best to get a good way to leave the EU , she is trying to leave the EU but the deal clearly doesnt please the MP's - they dont want to leave with a No Deal but do they really think the EU is going to offer a better one ?
I saw a video of a Lady MP pretty much pointing the finger of blame at the likes of Johnson etc - for skulking into the background , removing themselves from cabinet yet mouthing off outside the HOC
Why hasnt Boris Johnson stepped up to the plate and challenged TM and then delvier Brexit ?
We are due to leave in 2 weeks and nothing has changed , we are no closer than we were two years ago
So the question is -
Are we no closer because the country is that deeply connected to the EU its a complete nightmare to find a deal that suits both us and the EU and ensures we leave ?
Or
Because the majority of MP's believe that leaving is a bad thing and trying to find a way to keep us in ?
Now from what i can see the PM is trying her best to get a good way to leave the EU , she is trying to leave the EU but the deal clearly doesnt please the MP's - they dont want to leave with a No Deal but do they really think the EU is going to offer a better one ?
I saw a video of a Lady MP pretty much pointing the finger of blame at the likes of Johnson etc - for skulking into the background , removing themselves from cabinet yet mouthing off outside the HOC
Why hasnt Boris Johnson stepped up to the plate and challenged TM and then delvier Brexit ?
Kellfire
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In this case, it’s clearly true. As for all the other stuff they do - no comment. ðŸ˜
Taz
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Because the majority of MP's believe that leaving is a bad thing and trying to find a way to keep us in ?
this and the fact that May tried to sell a deal that was a dogs dinners and was unwilling to change even though 1/2 the cabinet left.
Tashyboy
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47551266
And this quite frankly is what boils my piss. The government release this information stating that 87% of imports will be tariff free. At the moment it is 80%, With the current EU trade deals. So in essence we still need to stay in Europe and pay Billions to get a worse bloody deal.
Remainers and MPs that want an extension need to open there closed eyes.
And this quite frankly is what boils my piss. The government release this information stating that 87% of imports will be tariff free. At the moment it is 80%, With the current EU trade deals. So in essence we still need to stay in Europe and pay Billions to get a worse bloody deal.
Remainers and MPs that want an extension need to open there closed eyes.
Mudball
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Because he cant and he knows that... he never thougth he, Mogg and ilk would win and had no plan A/B/C.. It was a leadership ploy that went out of hand and created right old Eaton Mess for all of us.
he's only happy because if there is a 2nd referendum then remain might win and no doubt that referendum would be legally binding
May worked in a bubble for 2 1/2 yrs. She failed to listen to those outside the bubble who told her she would never get her deal through. She has run the clock down and now seems surprised that MP's have rejected the deal that everyone told her would never get through. She is clueless, the worst PM in my lifetime. If that is her best then that is embarrassing.
She needs to go, the govt needs a new PM, possibly an election. She has to go though as otherwise the impasse remains. TM is part of the problem here, she is blocking progress whether deliberately or not.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
But they may say what is the alternative solution based on where we are now?
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Another election ? Aren’t we sick of them and what’s going to change , the government won’t change
Did she not recently win one and also a leadership contest and also a vote of confidence?
Is it really down to one person ? Is she the only person doing the negotiations
Why has no one else stepped up then if it’s all down to May - who is going to step in and do a better job.
Foxholer
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Not quite! Perhaps more like .... to find out what we should have wanted in 2016!
I'm fundamentally against having a 2nd Referendum - as nothing has changed in the actual question involved! So, as a 'non-extreme' voter I'd vote Leave this time if there was one!
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
There is not a majority in parliament for a second referendum of any type at the moment. The ERgers will not be placated unless it is a hard Brexit. So I expect the eventual solution will be that the tories will need more Labour support to pass any deal. And whilst Corbyn plays lip service to a second referendum, he's a Eurosceptic at heart and his heart is not in a second referendum. So I expect that the compromise will have to be made up of parts of the current deal and parts of the Labour proposals, which will essentially be a softer Brexit.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
As I've said before I don't think anyone wants a pure rerun of the 2016 one with 'Stay or leave' being the only 2 options. As many have said that is kind of pointless. So 'leave' would probably not be a choice but the choices would be the whatever options are available. Something like leave with no withdrawal agreement, leave with whatever the final deal on offer from the EU may be etc etc. Just having 'leave' on the ballot paper without any kind of explanation of in reality how it would be done and what the basic implications would be kind of got us into all this trouble in the first place.
Foxholer
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They were smart enough to provide a facility to amend that date 'by Regulation'. So all that is required is for a Minister (likely to be May) to issue that regulation.
Of course, any change of date would need to be via unanimous agreement within the European Council.
A subsequent referendum could be made legally binding.
Doon frae Troon
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How many of Cameron's 'swivel eyed loons' will vote to support a No Deal Brexit tonight?
I would be surprised if it is more than 30.
Says it all really.
I would be surprised if it is more than 30.
Says it all really.
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