Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

Is there a problem.if uk crash out . What happens then
Genuinely never thought of booked holidays around or over laping the deadline ?
Have u bn advised of what would happen ?

Crashing out, Falling off a cliff, what if the UK simply left the EU in an orderly fashion just like people wanted before the politicians made it complicated.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Would it change anything though. I imagine the result would be a hung parliament with the Conservatives holding on, unless the Brexit party managed to grab enough seats to upset the balance. It would also not heal the rift in the country.

Who knows. It may swing parliament just enough to get something through one way or the other.

The rift in the country won't start to heal until this is over. An election won't make it worse, I don't think.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Crashing out, Falling off a cliff, what if the UK simply left the EU in an orderly fashion just like people wanted before the politicians made it complicated.

Because you can’t simply leave in an orderley fashion without everybody agreeing to it.

What may be orderley to us maybe unacceptable to others.

Seriously after all this time you believe that is a possibility?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Because you can’t simply leave in an orderley fashion without everybody agreeing to it.

What may be orderley to us maybe unacceptable to others.

Seriously after all this time you believe that is a possibility?

People believing this (not saying socket does but many do) is half the problem. They don’t understand how we can’t just walk out on 29th March and things need to be agreed regardless even without a deal. Spent how many years getting agreements in place .. can’t undo all that work in the space of 2 years let alone 2 weeks which is what they have left

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They could say that they will give a year or so extension gambling that the longer they give the more chance there would be of a second referendum if parliament is just permanently gridlocked.

I expect that’s what is the likely response - both the EU and HoC I believe don’t want to leave the EU without a deal - or indeed the EU so the longer it goes on the more frustrated people will become and the more people will have had enough of the whole thing and a second vote will happen

Right from the beginning it for me seemed a vote too crucial for the public - it should have been the MP’s we voted for making this choice - it’s a complete embarrassing shambles and we must be a laughing to the world

Who knows. It may swing parliament just enough to get something through one way or the other.

The rift in the country won't start to heal until this is over. An election won't make it worse, I don't think.

I don’t ever see the rift healing - this vote has split the country and no matter what happens there will always be the split and will be get wider and result in more bad feelings. For a country that’s normally such a positive hard working country at the moment it’s a depressing place to be - a lot of people worried about the future and there are going to be a lot of finger pointing etc if it’s just get worse.

Can anyone really see things improving dramatically over the next 5/10 years ? For me there is far too much arrogance and bad feeling at the moment

 

[Hacker Khan]

I expect that’s what is the likely response - both the EU and HoC I believe don’t want to leave the EU without a deal - or indeed the EU so the longer it goes on the more frustrated people will become and the more people will have had enough of the whole thing and a second vote will happen

Right from the beginning it for me seemed a vote too crucial for the public - it should have been the MP’s we voted for making this choice - it’s a complete embarrassing shambles and we must be a laughing to the world


I don’t ever see the rift healing - this vote has split the country and no matter what happens there will always be the split and will be get wider and result in more bad feelings. For a country that’s normally such a positive hard working country at the moment it’s a depressing place to be - a lot of people worried about the future and there are going to be a lot of finger pointing etc if it’s just get worse.

Can anyone really see things improving dramatically over the next 5/10 years ? For me there is far too much arrogance and bad feeling at the moment

Depends which way we go. if we follow the US model of the extremists increasingly leading the political agenda then it doesn't look good. If the extremists go back to being just that, voices on the extreme of both sides but the majority of compromise happens in areas where both sides can work together then we have a hope.

I think TMays biggest mistake all along has been trying to keep the ERG on side as in reality nothing apart from a hard Brexit would have pleased them. And there is no appetite for that across the house or in the business world who the tories rely on for support and donations. So if she would have essentially written their votes off and tried to get more Labour on side and appeased the moderates who left in her party a bit more then she probably could have got a majority there. But then again Corbyn may well have just played politics as well and screwed that.

 

[Mudball]

What would Trump do?

If there is a GE tomorrow.. I have no idea who I would vote for... maybe the Green Party - at least I know what they stand for ..

 

[Hacker Khan]

Crashing out, Falling off a cliff, what if the UK simply left the EU in an orderly fashion just like people wanted before the politicians made it complicated.

One could argue that underestimating the complexity of unravelling us from 40 years of economic, legal and political ties with the EU whilst at the same time ensuring our economy is in a decent state kind of got us in this mess in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

One could argue that underestimating the complexity of unravelling us from 40 years of economic, legal and political ties with the EU whilst at the same time ensuring our economy is in a decent state kind of got us in this mess in the first place.

That doesn't matter Leave means Leave.

 

[Hacker Khan]

What would Trump do?

If there is a GE tomorrow.. I have no idea who I would vote for... maybe the Green Party - at least I know what they stand for ..

Just lie constantly on social media blaming the EU for all the ills in society and whipping up hysteria to appeal to his increasingly obedient and non questioning fanbase who can't see him for the charlatan he is. And he'd just do whatever best suited his increasingly desperate desire for power including promoting an outcome that would lead to a lot of misery and heartache for many less fortunate than him, knowing full well that his immense wealth would shield him from any adverse impact in any way, and he may even make some money out of it.





Oh sorry, I thought you said what would Rees-Mogg and Bojo do. Trump would do much the same.....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That doesn't matter Leave means Leave.

I agree Stu, my issue is with the words “in an orderley fashion”.
Leave, but be prepared for all scenarios, good and bad.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Will there be much point in another general election or referendum? Neither party sticks to their manifesto, and referendums aren’t respected.

I’m all for a second referendum providing those that voted the first time round are to be only ones to vote again.
Only then when will there be a true measure of what was wanted 3 years ago now people are “more informed”, and “know what they’re voting for”.

No red buses for remainers to claim that we was lied to allowed.

I think after this sham, I won’t vote again. None of these votes affect me anyway and I’ll set fire to my conservative membership card.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Will there be much point in another general election or referendum? Neither party sticks to their manifesto, and referendums aren’t respected.

I’m all for a second referendum providing those that voted the first time round are to be only ones to vote again.
Only then when will there be a true measure of what was wanted 3 years ago now people are “more informed”, and “know what they’re voting for”.

No red buses for remainers to claim that we was lied to allowed.

I think after this sham, I won’t vote again. None of these votes affect me anyway and I’ll set fire to my conservative membership card.

So we have a referendum in 2019 to find out what we wanted in June 2016?

 

[bladeplayer]

Very

Crashing out, Falling off a cliff, what if the UK simply left the EU in an orderly fashion just like people wanted before the politicians made it complicated.

very true but seeing as the politicians . the ones to guide the crash , fall or simply leave in an orderly fashion or what ever term u or i for that matter choose to use .. cant seem to talk . Discuss or agree in an ordinary manner. There appears in my opinion very little chance of what the people wanted been delivered..

My question how ever badly worded. was a genuine question re travel arangements if uk leave with no deal . It was well answered in following posts

 

[SocketRocket]

Who knows. It may swing parliament just enough to get something through one way or the other.

The rift in the country won't start to heal until this is over. An election won't make it worse, I don't think.

I'm confident it would. Dont you think people are sick and tired with elections and what effect would a new round of political grandstanding do to further the distrust they have with MPs.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There could be a general election. Quicker to organise than a referendum apparently. As the govt is unable to get through its legislation this is very possible and was being suggested today by conservative politicians even.

The problem with that plan is that England will probably just vote the same Tories back in to lead a UK Government.

 

[SocketRocket]

One could argue that underestimating the complexity of unravelling us from 40 years of economic, legal and political ties with the EU whilst at the same time ensuring our economy is in a decent state kind of got us in this mess in the first place.

I agree this is the position we now find ourselves in due to the inept way our Prime Minister has allowed the withdraw process to be screwed. We should have been aware of the EU's negotiating intentions 18 months ago and walked away informing them we either negotiate a free trade agreement straight away that would solve the Irish border situation or we will start making arrangements to leave without a formal withdraw agreement.
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[SocketRocket]

The problem with that plan is that England will probably just vote the same Tories back in to lead a UK Government.

Oh, I see. We will have English only General Elections now, will we. You do say some very silly things.

 

[Jamesbrown]

So we have a referendum in 2019 to find out what we wanted in June 2016?

Apparently to some, voters were misinformed, lied to and nobody new what they were voting for which bought about the basis for a second referendum.
So to answer your question. That’d be a yes. (Make sure it’s a sunny day as some voters don’t like rain)
And after that referendum, we have another just to really make sure. Maybe throw another general election in there, and get another server for the GM forum so we can fit this thread on, and repeat exactly what was said over and over again, again.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Apparently to some, voters were misinformed, lied to and nobody new what they were voting for which bought about the basis for a second referendum.
So to answer your question. That’d be a yes. (Make sure it’s a sunny day as some voters don’t like rain)
And after that referendum, we have another just to really make sure. Maybe throw another general election in there, and get another server for the GM forum so we can fit this thread on, and repeat exactly what was said over and over again, again.

As parliament can't seem to get a majority for any option to take us forwards I think any calls for a 2nd referendum want to put the options we currently have to the vote, not rerun the one from 2016.